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Find the Reason for Living Forever

• October 10, 2018
• Roberta Grimes
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In today’s episode of Healing From Within your host Sheryl Glick author of The Living Spirit a tale of awakening, spiritual communication, healing and the truth of our being as well as a guide to Inner Soul Development is most delighted to welcome back for a chance to discuss her new book Roberta Grimes author of The Fun of Growing Forever. Previous interviews with Roberta Grimes on her books The Fun of Dying and The Fun of Staying In Touch may be heard on my website www.sherylglick.com

Roberta and Sheryl will share a greater understanding of the afterlife and its implications for improving human development as their studies research and their passion and need to share the truth of who we are and why we are experiencing life in a physical reality is endless. All shows on Healing From Within in one way or another share a remarkable view of our human and energetic potential as we learn more about human nature and the universe and find many ways to look within for self-investigation, self-reflection and to discover how mastering our emotions thoughts and actions, and by raising our vibration helps us create our most successful healthy life and afterlife journey.

In today’s episode Roberta Grimes a business attorney novelist and speaker whose spiritual journey began with two extraordinary experiences of light as a child has spent decades studying nearly 200 years of consistent communications from the dead and other afterlife related evidence to assemble an in depth understanding of who and what we are how reality works the nature of God and the meaning and purpose of our lives

What afterlife researchers have discovered turns out to be a great deal more than just the fact that human minds are eternal! Afterlife studies is a genuine science that encompasses a consciousness-based reality many times the size of this material universe. The physics of consciousness and all its implications will so dominate the second half of this century that eventually people will look back on today’s benighted scientific beliefs very much as we now look back on the practice of balancing humors by bleeding the sick. Revelations to come over the next few decades are going to change everything.

Perhaps the most important insight to flow from what the dead are telling us through dedicated and highly educated mediums is that now, quite unexpectedly, we have received the answer to humankind’s oldest question. At last we know why we are here! You came into this lifetime eager to achieve the greatest possible spiritual growth. That is what the dead tell us is the reason why we even are born. As best we have been able to determine, it is the reason why the universe exists. And the fact that you have not always known this is the greatest indictment of mainstream science and organized religions that I can imagine.

As Roberta tells us, “We all seek meaning in our lives, especially as we move past the grubbing for money and status of our early years. And even those who find earthly success soon discover that there is no end to those struggles, no top to be found, no rat-race prize, so every thoughtful person eventually sees that whatever success we might find on earth gives us nothing more than toys whose luster is going to dim as our bodies fail. No matter how rich and famous we become, we realize in the end that we have never owned anything. The only thing that you and I can own is the powers of our eternal minds, so achieving spiritual growth while on earth is the best way to add to our permanent wealth.

Perhaps the notion of growing spiritually doesn’t seem appealing to you now. It sounds stuffy and churchy. Who needs that? Fine. Then let’s call it plainly what it is: spiritual growth means ever more perfect love. Most of us would say that love feels good, but on Earth love is as ephemeral as mist. Perhaps if you were aware that spiritual growth means feeling ever more deeply in love all the time, with everyone and everything forevermore, you might find the concept more attractive. Achieving spiritual growth turns out to be the whole secret to human happiness.”

She goes on to say that “No religion puts spiritual growth first.” One of the reasons for that is that Jesus who inspired Christianity as the second Abrahamic religion did not come to do that. Jesus was basically not religious, but spiritual, and a modern teacher of the Afterlife Soul life and concepts of Universal Love and Forgiveness as the way to know our soul essence and bring heaven to earth..a Master Teacher perhaps, not a religious one. Many Christians consider the entire Christian Bible to be the Inspired Word of God. Having read it through a number of times, Roberta feels she must tell you that she finds the Bible to be so internally inconsistent and so full of culturally-biased and even un-Christian advice that it seems presumptuous and insulting to pin it all on God. It seems more accurate to say that the writers whose work was assembled into the Christian Bible may have been inspired by God, but they heard God through the filter of their primitive lives in the ancient world so they could have garbled some of God’s message. This would be understandable and forgivable. But the fact that it might have happened means that no serious researcher can use most of the Bible as a resource when trying to understand a factual God.

The red letters of the Gospels are another matter. Thomas Jefferson said that the words of Jesus stand out in the Bible like “diamonds in a dunghill,” and when you read the Bible through and reach the Gospels, you can see what he meant. In a recent translation, Jesus sounds like a modern man trying to educate primitives: you see him speaking simply and patiently, saying things over and over to people who seem not really to understand him. You even see his rising frustration, and his repeated efforts to quell that frustration and say things over yet again, more simply. Put aside the fact that Jesus’ followers started in his name a prominent and now widely fragmented religion. Just read the words of Jesus without religious bias, and you find yourself sympathizing and liking him as a wonderfully wise and good man you would enjoy having as your friend. Reading his words without religious bias makes you wonder whether things that he said might be found to be factually accurate.

Here is where our problems arise. If we don’t want to indulge in the magic-thinking notion that the whole Bible is the Inspired Word of God, then we have to take into account how easily the teachings of Jesus could have been distorted during the past two thousand years:

1. For Jesus to speak against the prevailing religion was a crime punishable by death. He was trying to stay alive long enough to share what he had come to teach, and he managed that feat for more than three years by using some fascinating tricks. He would tell what sounded like innocent stories, then say, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear” (wink-wink) to urge his followers to look for his deeper messages. He would give people innocuous-sounding bits of information at various spots along the way, knowing that the guards watching him would change, and hoping that his faithful followers would be able to put those bits together.
2. Those who heard Jesus speak and passed his words along, and those who eventually committed them to writing, seem not to have fully understood what he was saying. It is possible that they inserted or altered words or passages here and there to better support their own understandings. We would be none the wiser.
3. Jesus’ message could have been altered as it was translated into Greek and then from Greek into English. Aramaic is so different from Greek that direct translations from Aramaic to English are nearly unrecognizable by people who are used to modern Bible versions. The fact that the Gospel words of Jesus that have been translated twice still are so consistent with the afterlife evidence is flat-out amazing to me.
4. We depend on the good will of those who were in control of the written Gospels for two millennia. Here is where our trust is tested! There is evidence that people eager to support their own religious doctrines edited the Gospels over the years, which means that apparently words were put into or taken out of Jesus’ mouth.

Roberta goes on to tell us that the teachings of Jesus are a coherent system that works to foster our spiritual growth and spiritual growth is the reason a soul chooses to incarnate into a physical life. Jesus’ teachings perhaps teach us “What Universal Love Is Not” and therefore what true spiritual awareness is.

The use of love to produce emotional highs is so seductive that some of its manifestations may not be easy to spot, but here are the ones that seem obvious to Roberta.

• Sex. Do I have to say it? The emotions associated with sex are the classic upper and downer of drug use. They have nothing to do with genuine love.
• Romance. We know the feeling of being in love with someone as a necessary bridge toward marriage, but that intense high of falling in love cannot be for life, even if we marry happily. And if we never make it to a permanent union, then falling in love has to end in the emotional crash of falling back out of love.
• Marital love. The emotions of marriage after the honeymoon phase run a daily gamut of highs and lows. As someone who has been married forever, I don’t consider the emotions engendered by a long-term marriage to be especially high-energy; but on the other hand, once we begin to master ultimate love, then marriage can be extraordinary.
• Parental Love. There is an intense protective feeling that binds mothers and fathers to their offspring and can inspire parents to defend their children with their lives without a second thought. Mercifully, that feeling begins to wane as our children grow away from us; but then, of course, come the grandchildren. I can testify that the most intense emotional high known to humankind is that of a grandmother with her grandchild in her arms. But, nope, this isn’t ultimate love, either.
• Love for Pets. There are many people who would say that the greatest love they ever have felt was for a dog or a cat or a rat. This kind of love seems to be related most closely to parental love, but since it often is used as a substitute for loving other human beings it does little to advance our spiritual growth. Indeed, it might even get in the way.
• Friendship. Many of us have longtime friends whose lives feel like our personal gift. The love I feel for close friends feels more like the steady high of ultimate love, but it still is too dependent on the people involved. Even the friendship kind of love can end badly.
• Patriotic Feeling. Whether we are talking about love for country, love for gender, love for race, or love for groups and organizations, it is all the same. That quicker beating and exultant lift of your heart that you feel at the thought of your tribe is just more of the love-drug. It does nothing to raise your spiritual vibration.

While none of these lesser kinds of love can meaningfully raise us spiritually, they are nonetheless important and useful. Experiencing even transient and imperfect love can help us to know how love feels, and it can open our hearts and prepare us to embrace the perfect love that is who we really are.
We may better understand Universal or ultimate Love even if you are not a Christian, and the easiest way for you to begin to envision spiritually transformative love is to put yourself into the mind of Jesus as he is being crucified. No matter what you think might be the reason why Jesus chose crucifixion, focus here just on the three different kinds of love that he must have been feeling: • His love for humankind was universal. Modern evidence suggests that what went through the mind of Jesus as he lay down on the cross was that his suffering a public death and then his rising from the dead would be his best way to teach the fact that human life is eternal.

On the other hand, many Christians believe that Jesus died for your sins. Either way, we can agree on the fact that as he willingly submitted to crucifixion his mind was full of nothing but his perfect love for all of humankind. • His love for the fools who were hammering the nails filled his heart even as the hammering went on. He said, “Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing” (LK 23:34).

When you have achieved Jesus’ level of forgiveness and love, then your own thoughts, too, will be filled with warm compassion for those who might be doing you harm. As Jesus says, “I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven” (MT 5:44).

Once on the cross, his concern was for those whose own fear and suffering filled his awareness. He asked his friend, John, and his grieving mother to love and care for one another, and he was solicitous of the criminals who were being crucified with him. When one of them said to him, “Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingdom!” Jesus didn’t ask the man what his crime had been or warn him that he was about to be judged. Instead, he felt only love and compassion as he said, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with me in Paradise” (LK 23:42–43).

Roberta tells us that the teachings of Jesus are the easiest most effective method for achieving rapid spiritual growth and believes it is tragic that more Christians aren’t following the teachings of Jesus? Roberta writes, “The course I am recommending to you is not the only one that you might choose, but I think it is the easiest to follow and probably the most effective. These teachings are a philosophy based in your own essential energetic soul nature, and they work not by teaching you anything new, but rather by helping you remember who you are. Few Christians follow the teachings of Jesus. They see them as optional in view of the fact that they believe Jesus was born to die for our sins. Indeed, many Christians have paid so little attention to the Gospel teachings that they have sullied the name of Jesus by the way they have treated other people. Please understand that their behavior has nothing to do with the genuine Jesus! But if reading his name here bothers you, simply obscure the Biblical references and turn his words into nothing more than proven wisdom that has no source. It never is too late to begin! Give yourself the gift of spiritual growth, make the very most that you can of your life, and together we will transform the world. Sheryl who has felt Jesus as he stands by her in meditation and in challenging times as she practices energy healing writes the same message that Roberta is offering to you here that Jesus still offers his love and hopes to all who simply have not been able to hear the message in their heart and to honor in Unity and Oneness the beauty of All and the love that we are.

Some of the key teachings of Jesus raise our vibration taking us from states of fear anger negativity and self-doubt to levels of love compassion bliss and divine awareness.
One of the main teachings of Jesus is to love yourself as you love your neighbors and forgive all that you or others do … By understanding how Universal Forgiveness works

We can see how practicing Universal Forgiveness help us on many levels.

• Practicing universal forgiveness retrains your mind. By giving yourself the conditioning of immediate, forceful action against negative emotions, you seem to be teaching your mind not to bother with emotions you refuse to court. Your mind finds an easier route forward, and your ongoing insistence on always pushing anger away reinforces your mind’s new route until it has made peacefulness its habit. If you let yourself really indulge in anger or crankiness or raging grief, then your mind will give you more of these emotions; but if you refuse to court negativity, your mind turns out to be sufficiently lazy that it will stop reacting once it realizes that reacting will be a waste of its energy.
• Practicing Universal Forgiveness seems to be a powerful antidote to fear. Fear is the most negative emotion of all, the energetic opposite of love, and what seems to be the case is that when you are squashing various other negative emotions, your mind stops responding with fear as well.
• Practicing Universal Forgiveness raises your happiness set-point. Feeling much more peaceful inside, and with negative emotions never troubling you now, you should find that you like being yourself much better than you ever have before.
• Universal forgiveness dramatically improves your interactions with other people. For most of my life, I had a close friend or two. I didn’t even really like people. But once I had mastered universal forgiveness, I found that everyone I met was nicer! That everyone on earth is more wonderful just because I have learned how to forgive is a source of ongoing amazement to me. And I should add that my husband went from being sometimes so unpleasant that I used to think about leaving him to becoming at once the most kindly, dear, and loving man on the face of the earth. After forty-four years, unexpectedly my forgiveness practice has transformed my relationship with him as well.

Roberta shows us how learning about Gratitude and Forgiveness and practicing it improves our lives and in learning this we are not really learning anything new. Roberta claims that we cannot even love in a way that transforms us spiritually until we have learned Universal Forgiveness, but once we are forgiving at that level, then love comes as naturally to us as breathing. She tells us that it is this automatic, instinctive love for each person on the face of the earth that truly raises us spiritually.

In my view, our whole wellbeing is dependent on our expressing love. It is not about what comes back; it is about what goes out! Love is a force more formidable than any other. It is powerful enough to transform you in a moment, and it offers you more joy than any material possessions ever could. As Albert Einstein said, “The world as we have created it is a process of our thinking. It cannot be changed without changing our thinking.” Ultimately our salvation comes when we begin to think more loving thoughts— thoughts that transcend fear. Since everything you want in life lies on the other side of fear, and nothing is going to change until you change, now is the time to transform your life and as you do, you also begin for all the world the long delayed advent of universal love, kindness and perpetual peace. One individual can begin a movement that turns the tide of history. Martin Luther King in the civil rights movement, Mohandas Gandhi in India, and Nelson Mandela in South Africa are examples of people standing up with courage and non-violence to bring about needed changes.

Roberta Grimes is telling us now that the transformation that has become essential to the future of humankind was begun two thousand years ago by the greatest individual of them all. And now it is up to each of us to stand up and embody that transformation. The future of the world is up to us. The path is clear; we just need to walk it.
Sheryl says….In my book The Living Spirit I who have felt Jesus in meditation and have cried when He said I cry with you for the injustices of the world…wrote this as I discovered our human need to truly understand how we may grow spiritually as Jesus tried to show…. Sheryl wrote, ”Each human being builds through unity and purpose of experiences, an indivisible ONENESS of the finest aspects of divine blessings, which are love, humility, forgiveness and the generosity of merging ourselves with all that is. The purpose must be to prepare and refine our souls through our choices made in our physical lives for an eternal soul life worthy of divine introspective.”

In meditation and connection to Spirit Roberta tells us what the dead have to say about religion.
There is almost no religion practiced in the afterlife levels. I hedge this statement only because a few might sing hymns for nostalgia’s sake. And those who have died too certain about their afterlife beliefs can find that their powerful minds have put them into illusory heavens that look like what they expected to find, but from which they will later have to be rescued. But just as there are no atheists in heaven, so also there are no religionists. People don’t need faith when they live in certainty. Jesus is much more important in the afterlife levels than he is here. They call him the Master. And he is everywhere, teaching and comforting and visiting the children’s villages. He is a powerful spiritual center, loved and revered more than you can imagine. The Buddha also is sometimes reported, but he is not seen as comparable to Jesus. In fact, there is some evidence that the Master may be the most advanced being in every dimension and in every universe. He is above all.

Roberta tells us a few words about God. It is ironic that advocates of scientific inquiry and advocates of religious worship have battled one another for centuries about which view of reality will prevail, when in truth neither of them has it right. The human-like Christian God that feels anger and jealousy does not exist. Instead, the only thing that exists is an infinitely loving Power that continuously gives rise to everything else, which means that scientists who still want to think that reality is random are off-track, too. Indeed, scientific inquiry has been in the weeds for all the hundred years since Max Planck first realized that consciousness is primary.

Some of the problems with religion are the complete lack of personal communication allowed or encouraged and the need to respond to God within the community and the rules of past cultures and laws. So religion if it doesn’t evolve allows for stagnation, misinformation, rigidity and the control of many by a few. This is not what Roberta and Sheryl believe is the spiritual growth that a soul needs. SEPARATION LIMITATION AND MISCOMMUNICATION are some of the problems all religions or structures have. If you look at some of the quotes below you see the striving of man’s soul to know himself, life, and love in a more eternal and truthful spiritual way.

“Some men see things as they are and say, why; I dream things that never were and say, why not.” —Robert F. Kennedy, U.S. Senator (1925–1968)
“We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.” —Martin Luther King, Jr., winner of the 1964 Nobel Peace Prize (1929–1968)
“I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality . . . I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word.” —Martin Luther King, Jr., winner of the 1964 Nobel Peace Prize (1929–1968)
“A man sees in the world what he carries in his heart.” —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and statesman (1749–1832)
“You must be the change you wish to see in the world.” —Mahatma Gandhi, Indian leader and mystic (1869–1948)

Probably one of the most important questions answered in this interview are about what the dead say about the future on this planet. Human civilization is on a course to disaster. Those we used to think were dead are telling us that unless we act now, in two hundred years a war will begin that will make this planet unlivable. On the other hand, if sufficient people begin now to develop spiritually, our future in two hundred years will be a literal heaven on earth. They present our alternatives as just that stark. Of course, some who are reading these words will shrug. In two hundred years we’ll all be dead! But those who are dead now tell us that our downward course over two hundred years will be an awful acceleration of the troubling trends that we see around us now. So for people who care about the grandchildren that our own grandchildren will hold in their arms, the stakes in this could not be higher.

Sheryl says since her spiritual remembrance began some 25 years ago the words Heaven on Earth have resonated in her soul and she has tried to learn and share as much as she could to fuel this time and place in history to bring about an understanding of who we are and how wonderful life could be if we lived according to the Universal Laws of Energy and Eternal life. It is not in the doing but in the receiving and sharing of love and good intention and will that is the only hope for these troubled times. Instead of taking give, instead of opinions be open to new ideas and ways, instead of belittling others who may be different allow accept and surrender to a bigger reality and let go of nonsense smallness and ineffective ways to express your inner world love. Think and act in selfless ways and we may still save this beautiful planet.

Roberta would wish readers to take away with them after reading The Fun of Growing Forever how extraordinary it is that we have the two thousand-year-old words of someone who claimed to understand reality, and to know what happens when we die. Now add the fact that most of what Jesus says in the Gospels is consistent with what we can only now deduce from afterlife evidence and cutting-edge science. This gives us some amazing validations of both the teachings of Jesus and the modern evidence! Such an extensive coincidence is so unlikely as to be for practical purposes impossible. Yet if you share my wonder and delight at finding how well the words of Jesus fit the evidence, I have to remind you that the odds are long against our having available to us exactly what he said.


In summarizing today’s episode of Healing From Within Roberta and I who have spent a good part of our lives exploring the true nature of physical and energetic life in order to answer questions about why a soul who is unlimited in expansion beyond this physical reality would choose a limiting life and in finding the answers to that question we have found freedom to live and freedom to change and expand. Nothing could be greater or more wonderful than that truth.

The truth that Roberta and I have been privileged to learn and share is what He Taught Us About God:
Jesus told us the fundamental fact that God is loving Spirit, and each of us is part of God. This was radical stuff in ancient times, when most people worshiped semi-physical gods who were more like the Old Testament’s Jehovah, often vengeful and hard to placate.

“God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.” (JN 4:24)

“The kingdom of God is within you.”

Roberta and I would have you work on finding your many spiritual gifts of Universal Love and forgiveness to transcend your physical fears and limits and transform yourself into the divine soul you have always been. Please bring heaven to your life and to our planet and do not engage the conflicting messages of many who still do not appreciate life as it is. Stand in alignment to truth and your personal growth and we will positively affect those both here in physical life and those in Spirit with this sense of eternal reality.