----------------------------------------------------------- page 5 ----------------------------------------------------------. Pictured is a brown leather 1935 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a TP or Technische Polizeischule property stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 7691;view 1, view 2 and view 3. Luger wooden box cleaning kit These Nazi Police bayonets are frequently described as Dress bayonets, which is a misnomer. The first pictured example of a multiple conversion of an artillery to police holster conversion. Police Lugers is a work of research by Dwight Gruber and Edward Tinker that has taken innumerable hours over five years to tell the tale of the history and evolution of the police in Germany, specifically about their usage of the German P08 (Luger pistol). rural police groups: The Einwohnerwehr was a paramilitary police force formed by though provides no picture. The frame tells us that it was an artillery (200mm barrel) and has had the barrel replaced by Simson & Co., the only one authorized to build Lugers after the great war by the treaty of Versailles. It was procured from private stockWhat real difference would it make to the Heers WaA if they ordered a new holster or procured one from existing stock? Below is the translated Introduction section of Volume I. Mit der am 6 Ottober 1920 durchgefhrten Umbildung der Polizei hat die sachloche Zustndigfeit der neuen Polizei eine erhebliche Frweiterung ersahren. stamping, there is enough room to the left of the defined and enhanced rectangular cartouche type enclosed S. H.133. links[1]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; eagle proof differs from recognized Police Luger eagle stamped holsters, which are usually not associated with E/WaA control numbers. Brown would be rural. aware or familiar with that accessory, which is understandable, as TBLAP Furthermore, all books required for the use of the police schools in all areas of knowledge on the most favorable conditions are to be obtained from the assortment of the next edition. and Band II or Volume II published in 1921 Weimar Germany with the cover title: Das Lehrbuch fr die Polizeischulen or The textbook for the police schools. The Ingolstadt HZa was the only one to have a production code, I believe it was "jlj." This is an apolitical forum for discussions on the Axis nations and related topics hosted by the Axis History Factbook in cooperation with Christian Ankerstjernes Panzerworld and Christoph Awender's WW2 day by day. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 8 ----------------------------------------------------------. Chapter 1 Making Modern Germany Chapter 2 Policing Germany, including Police Unit Marks links[4]='http://www.theoldbrigade.co.uk'; II. Pictured is one such P08 police grip strap example, compared against variation 1 muzzle protector 2866, where no additional marks were added. Military Control Commission), was established to enforce the provisions of Ordnance Department in August 1901 for troop trials with the U.S. Cavalry, Match it with this DWM Model 1900 American Eagle Luger, DWM Model 1902 Luger Semi-Automatic Carbine Rig. A complete discussion of RIA 2018, Bahnschutz RBD Halle S holster offering, 2 Policing Germany, including Police Unit Marks Chapt. 1074." or Schultzpolizei Mnsterwith pistol number 10742and post 1934 by adding a magazine safety. ad[3]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Marna.jpg'; - Kommando Nuernberg-Fuerth, berittene Abteilung, gun 5, W.K.S.5. Edward Tinker - Co-Author of Police Lugers & Simson Lugers - Veteran Bring Backs Vol 1-4. Since this ammo is rare, it is considered to be collectible ammunition. German Police Unit Marks, 1920-1937. 2. Other than the most notable features of the cut-back artillery holsters is the toe plug and the cleaning rod sleeve of these former artillery Luger holsters, none are the same, as there are other changes, such as method of carry, where Sturgess in TBLAP suggests, that with the lack of belt loops they were carried over the shoulder, somehow utilizing the rear attached leather stock block, although some examples have been modified to a single loop belt carry by rotating the Goering kept them under control of the Luftwaffe Air Ministry while all other Werkschutz units were controlled by the Ordnungspolizei. Here are the rare Lugers (PHOTOS). (113P) DWM 1920 Police Rework Luger Pistol . collar slot aligned and properly threaded, leaving a proper space allowing the There is one unusual barrel sight band/block/blade condition will not allow the attachment of the variation 2 muzzle protector to fit over the P.08 barrel. The only known publication that mentions the E/WaAJL16 stamping is found in World of Lugers, a.k.a. Per Luger collectors the E/Mg10 marking is rarely encountered. The cut-back, first conversion feature of the subject police holster involved forming a regular curved, P.08 holster style, closed, stitched toe. Apparently, as to whether to modify the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and or cover flap of a cut-back Artillery to Police holster to accommodate a Police cleaning rod is necessary, all depends on the availability multiple makers of used and unused WW1 Artillery holsters to different Artillery holster leather makers in 1920s Germany that were available to a host of leather craftsmen to be refurbished for Police use. ad[0]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/germanmilitaria.jpg'; Pictured is an example featured in Weimar Lugers by J Still, 1993, Brass stud added to the (cover) flap, additional brass stud added to the cleaning rod pouch. 19-130 pictures a cut-back LP.08 holster with a text caption, specifically and unequivocally, stating that the holster cleaning rod sleeve was modified by addition of a wider top section and second stud to accommodate the long Police cleaning rod with soldered on travel stop i.e., if a police cleaning rod with brass stopper wont fit the original cleaning rod sleeve, what difference would it make, dimensionally, to extend the length and not the diameter of the holster body leather cleaning rod sleeve? It is also unlikely that any of the cut-back artillery holsters will be located with police markings as per TBLAP VIII, C19 page 1267 where it states: Modified army pattern holsters, whether of short LP.08 pattern originally, were not subject to formal inspection and marking upon conversion to the police pattern. Sturgess additionally describes the police cleaning rod in the Fig. Note: Air surveillance departments controlled by the provincial Compare the above to this World War I 1917-dated DWM Artillery Luger with the more appropriate German markings. On later production guns, matching numbered magazines enhance value. Opening the loading tool cover flap reveals the original brown leather. These were finished and delivered by Mauser as stock on hand in the early '30s. These bayonets were carried by all Police, and since Germany was a Police State, there were a lot of them. The subject Police holster E/Mg10 stamping is recognized by collectors as authentic, based on three examples seen on WwMg/41 dated WW2 military issued P08 holsters. and - S. H. 133. are hidden, being located under the cover flap, whereas other identified, non-holster Hannover markings, such as Police P08s are prominently marked. The ERMA marked variation 2 muzzle protector seems most apt for the 4mm sub caliber training assembly. Sturgess in TBLAP also states that the new police cleaning rods were issued to each police pistol, further stating in the Fig. The conclusion being that there are a variety of styles/shapes and size of brass studs used by the many different WW1 leather makers of LP08 Artillery holsters and as such, it is difficult to dismiss any of these original period brass studs as aftermarket, not German or not used with Artillery holsters. The lower of the two (brass) studs is not an original German stud. During the last war-winter, its members were the worse terrorists of all against their Danish countrymen. When is the right time to sell back 9780985833503 Police Lugers: German Police Lugers and Their Markings 1918-1958? Polizei-Praesident Berlin=The Royal Police-President Berlin. Pictured together for comparison are a Police cleaning rod with a brass stopper and a navy cleaning rod. Still further states: Reportedly, muzzle protectors were issued with some Prussian State Police Lugers. 3 days Left DWM 1914 MILITARY UNIT MARKED LUGER SEMI-AUTO. Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster vs. the regulation positioned and angled location of As a result, the young police officers are faced with new tasks, which prove to be all the more difficult since the new police not only ward off the risks of political and economic struggles, but above all are supposed to be brought back to their actual previous activities. luger1. "Jt" being the abbreviation for the Ingolstadt HZa. The standard 6 barrel is marked Germany on the underside. These unique Prussian State Police belt buckles are most often found in gold but have also been observed, as noted above, in this type of silver and were used during the Weimar Era and for a few years into the Nazi era until they were replaced with the standard police buckle with large swastika. While lacking a rear horizontal stitch line, the holster body cavity rear panel is secured at the lower edge by the lower belt loop stitching. View 1 and view 2. A noted holster collector and expert states after examining pictures of the subject unidentified maker cut-back Artillery to Police holster that: The cleaning rod leather section added to the subject Artillery cleaning rod pouch or sleeve, came from an original sleeve. It was subject to the command of the local Reichswehr This interference issue varies from barrel to barrel, curiously, to both police and non-police P.08 9mm Lugers, depending on the width of the sight blade sliding base. 1 Making Modern Germany Chapt. Pictured is a brown leather example with regulation holster body attached holster body spare magazine pouch with up-strap and cover flap keeper slit and steel stud closure. I figured out the other markings from earlier posts. 33. This allows the cleaning of the barrel and receiver chamber without any damage to the barrel muzzle face or damaging contact to the breechblock face. A rare DWM Model 1900 U.S. Army Test Eagle Luger in 7.65mm is up for grabs as well. The first stamp of WwMg/41 may signify Waffenwerk Magdeburg. Zone railway police used an earlier, relatively obscure 7.65 m/m caliber, FN Model 1922 pistol. a cleaning rod, marked on a milled flat section of the shaft, the pictured cut-back artillery to police holster, was modified to carry the police cleaning rod with added brass stopper, the police brass stop cleaning rod with a seven ring wooden handle cannot be inserted past the added, upper leather cleaning rod pouch section, securing cover flap brass stud as the bell-shaped, rather large 13 m/m diameter brass stopper, permanently affixed to the much smaller 5.5 m/m diameter of the steel cleaning rod, engages the protruding internal metal retaining lip of the added cleaning rod pouch brass stud, one would expect the resulting increase in height of the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve to require the higher relocation of the cleaning rod cover flap yet, interestingly, there is only one, apparently original cover flap stitching line evident as shown by an internal view, The purpose of the added entrance leather section with a second brass stud to the cleaning rod pouch is therefore unclear, and without removing the original brass stud creates a second barrier to inserting the cleaning rod, there is no issue with the insertion of a navy, six ring wooden barrel handle, 5.5 m/m diameter cleaning rod without a brass stopper, as it completely seats, allowing the cover flap to close over the wooden barrel handle with no interference. Luger Extractor Marks Luger Safety Marks Luger Magazine Marks Light sheet steel body with crimped edges. rear threaded section to be rotated clockwise until it is snug against the rear by Igorak89 07 May 2016, 13:15, Post Many changes have occurred from the area of the state =, police = and criminal law. Pictured is a black leather 1935 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with an circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.P.R. The initials MG represent machine gun and the number being (page 108) 10th Training Corps or (page 216) with the 10 denoting the team number. German Army. On the rear cover the books contents are further described as: Der amtliche Leitfaden fr preuische Polizeibeamte or The official guide for Prussian police officers. With the reorganization of the police carried out on 6 October 1920, the factual responsibility of the new police has been considerably expanded. by Igorak89 09 May 2016, 18:58, Post When identified, either gold or silver, some dated and maker marked, these Prussian State Police belt buckles are described as officer belt buckles and this is somewhat supported as many pictures exist of Weimar Police with ordinary belt buckles. When found, the holsters are generally expensive, even in fair to poor condition. when raising the height of the cleaning rod pouch sleeve by adding a piece of leather, at the time simply removed or did not add the lower brass stud, extending the longer section, lower leather piece to where it covered the existing brass stud location. influence of its police during the violence and disorder of the Weimar It is very tiny. the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster, fully inserted in the original, unmodified cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, a cover flap modified by adding a section of leather, allowing the cover flap to completely close over the seven ring wooden barrel Police cleaning rod handle, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod, being the addition of a second, higher located brass stud, the necessity of adding a section of leather, attached above the original cover flap location. I 1924 titled Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei or Traffic posts of the security police. which clearly shows an early Weimar era police officer with a rare belt loop variation of a cut-back artillery holster with closed toe, full cover flap with an up-strap and brass stud closure. The WaA107 stamp is not mentioned or listed in Luger Holsters and Accessories, 1992 by E. Bender and not much is known of the WaA107 army inspection stamp as it has been found on only four holsters to date, listed below, and a 1930s Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector: Pictured is another variation 1 muzzle protector in the collection stamped 2866 with an additional, unidentified police marking that has been partially obscured and covered with X marks and a small, unidentified police inspection stamp. Figure 47c shows a table or bench with several Police Lugers and accessories and particularly interesting in the foreground is a muzzle protector, next to three training rounds. and discussed in The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols 2010 & 2011 by Grtz/Sturgess in Volume III, C19 Accessories, pages 1332-1333. The first set of letters on the line indicate the military or police unit Edward Tinker. Although, common to both cut-back Artillery holsters featured herein, as originally made, was the inability to close the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve cover flap over a fully inserted Police cleaning rod without modifications, being the addition of a second, higher located brass stud on the subject example 1 unidentified maker cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and the necessity of adding a section of leather, attached above the original cover flap location to the example 2, 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve cover flap. My thanks go to all those who took the time and thought to participate in the discussion, and provided pictures and information for the survey. (For more information, consult The Imperial German (communications training (BSP) (Railway Protection Police) as identified by ink stampings located on the inside cover flap being BAHN SCHUTZ and RBD/Rbd (ReichsBahnDirektionen) ESSEN (RUHR). The markings on the right side shows that this P08 was manufactured in 1939 by Mauser, Oberndorf and used by POL izei (Police). Signed & Numbered by both authors. Best, Pat He who lives by the sword, should train with it frequently. Pictured is a period photograph of three Nazi Police officers with round Gott mit uns marked belt buckles with the Police officers on the left and right side with black leather belts and the center Police officer with a white colored belt. Dealers description: Conversion from an artillery pattern holster, no legible markings. Regarding the S. H.133. With the reorganization of the police carried out on 6 October 1920, the factual responsibility of the new police has been considerably expanded. Many of its members (for example Pictured is an identical holster in the collection and additionally pictured with a 1908/13 commercial/military/police, no chamber date Luger, serial number 69859 and a separate view of 69859 serialized in the hidden commercial style. Der Mangel an einschlgigen Fachbchern ift oft betlagt worden. The new It is the Eagle/Mg10 stamping that requires explanation. links[0]='http://www.GermanMilitaria.com'; [11]. It is interesting to note that in TBLAP, VIII, C19, page 1266 Sturgess states the following: regarding the police cleaning rods: For this purpose, the precincts held the long cleaning rods, similar to the navy P.04 pattern, onto which a brass travel stop was soldered, used in conjunction with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector), which was too bulky to fit into any holster (cleaning rod sleeve) compartment and in any case served no purpose if carried on patrol. If it is made after 1918it is a reproduction. Thanks for the additional information. It has no maker mark nor datePresumably a commercial. It is interesting to note that this is the only published example of a Schutzpolizei Hannover Police holster so marked. That is not to say that the use of the converted LP.08 holsters were subsequently discontinued with the introduction of the new style police holsters, but could have been used into the early Another NAZI era example being the Walther PP and PPK pistols pictured in Axis Pistols 1986 by J. Buy Very Rare 1941 BYF41 Luger Army- Police P08 Mauser German Pistol 9mm P38: GunBroker is the largest seller of Curios & Relics Collectible Firearms All: 966966512 Est price: $3,750 $5,500. SIG Sauer Tango MSR Optic Review: Your Value & Performance LPVO. Tim. It might be that a few H.P. DWM "1920" Date Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig Fixed sights, with "1920" on the chamber, Weimar-era proofs on the barrel and receiver, and a pair of police safeties installed (sear safety present but weak, magazine safety disabled). Pictured is a similar aftermarket P08 and police stick-wing acceptance stamped muzzle protector disassembled. of "P". by Poot 06 May 2016, 07:54, Post Army, Navy, Police, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Bavarian State Police (Landespolizei), 1930. Hard to find historic variation. Receiver proof, some 1920 Military and Police Lugers. stamping for another letter or number, but since the upper portion of the left side rectangle enclosure line is partially obscured by the steel washer, resulting in a light stamping, missing a possible letter or number, which is a result of stamping too close to the underside washer, securing the cover flap steel stud. OK, now I'm getting confused again! All of the blank toggle guns are reported as Police guns. All Luger pistols, produced by DWM after 1922 and until 1928(?) Still 1991, page 25 who also states the following regarding this variation. is the only police instruction manual to mention the muzzle protector and its intended use with the cleaning rod and the 4mm sub caliber barrel insert. (motor transport seciont), Sonderwagenstaffel der Kraftfahrabteilung (armored vehicle squadron), Polizei-Reitschule (police equestrian school), Assigned to the interpretation of German unit marks is outside the scope of the Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L.H. The only marking is the Akah company logo on the back side, between the belt loops. Still. Chapter 4, p. 64 & Chapter 7, pp. 13005 or Schutzpolizei Berlin property number stamping located on the holster rear, to the right of the belt loops, with the Hannover and Berlin districts being 283 kilometers apart. The conventional wisdom is that these were manufactured in 1929. the folded-over or closed holster body toe of the pictured 1924 example that twin belt loops were added to the holster rear. Choose whether you want the sealed, opened box, or the marking stamp. . There are many possible combinations of You may have been hiding under a rock if youve not yet heard of the new SIG Sauer MCX Spear. Pictured is a Police Luger with chain and connected brush in barrel. These numbers were accountability numbers and were assigned to the policeman that carried the bayonet, as it remained the property of the issuing city. I'll leave it to Joop to fill in the details if he wishes, but the record indicates that substantial numbers of the 29DWM variation were completed and proofed in Berlin, but were "unfinished" (no bluing etc.) with LANDESPOLIZEI [7] (State Police) FR WRTTEMBERG-HOHENZOLLERN[8] marked on the 19-105, formally of the Dr. G.L. The second being a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger 9754r that is forward gripstrap police marked lengthwise S. M. 1704. or (Prussia) Schutzpolizei Mnster 1074 - Protection Police, Mnster district 7. S.Br.I.365 - Schutzpolizei of Breslau, first precinct, item 365, LS.Al.13 - item 13 of the Landjaegerei school in Allenstein, K.B.526 - item 526 of the Kriminalpolizei of Berlin. It was one of 1,000 purchased by the U.S. by the German authorities from the Imperial and Weimar eras, and is an Thanks for the help. An examination of another cut-back Artillery to Police holster in the LOB collection, dated 1915 made by P. Braunleder Cln challenges the above conclusions regarding the upper and lower brass studs. state of Bavaria had the small arms issued to its members of the He must have the intellectual armament for his exercise of the environment so completely that he always meets the right. The issue date of this unknown maker Police pistole cleaning kit is post 1945, as after World War II as Wrttemberg was in the newly-founded States of Wrttemberg-Baden and Wrttemberg-Hohenzollern. Additionally perplexing and unclear is the reason or purpose for a stand-alone E/Mg10 Nazi Swastika stamping on a 1933 dated Robert Larsen Weimar era Police holster. with the following rear cover page translations, of which both Volume I and Volume II front and rear covers are identical, with the rear cover upper paragraph statement: The "Guide" compiled in The police officer is therefore faced with the varied expenses. Post And in closing, a little German Police marching music Hoch Deutschland Marsch Hermann Richter Grosses Blas-Orchester der Schutzpolizei Berlin. (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. As to what district the holster was first used is indeterminate, however, Berlin would be the most likely prominent district based on the external location of the Police marking. By Bade, 16 April , 2021 in Arms and other weapons. Nachr. The German state depended on the stabilizing I own a u suffix luger with a blank toggle. Hesse, Saxony, and others. The side cover and the left high edge has mild wear. $60. This interference issue varies from barrel to barrel, curiously, to both police and non-police P.08 9mm Lugers, depending on the width of the sight blade sliding base. I would guess that Simson was doing a lot of military sales in 1926, and since it was a commercial venture, DWM stepped in. Tom answers that question and gives a detailed . Click here for English translation. This is even if the cleaning rod got past the upper, definitely added brass stud. K.W.K. This information came from a small book I have named The Luger Handbook by Aarron Davis. var xy=Math.floor(Math.random()*ad.length); The reassignment of 9754r to the Weimar navy explains the removal of the Sear Safety and the Magazine Safety. My question, please forive if its too absurd, is" Why weren't the Riff Contract pistols ordered from the Simson Co.?" Many combinations of eagles and numbers are noted. Additionally, pictured below are pages 94 and 95 of WOL showing an early supply poof E/HZa.JL.16, two army equipment depot proofs E/HZA.J.L.3 and HZA.JL.78 with the J representing building and L representing Lager or Depot and the digits representing the depot number. WWI History after Treaty of Versailles: German production of 9mm pistols was prohibited. issued to a unit; e.g., the 351st P08 pistol issued to the Schutzpolizei But you must recognize that; being a researcher yourself! The Treaty of Versailles (through the IMKK) restricted the size of Weimar Faded roman numeral ink stampings on the inside cover flap indicate Imperial army, possibly depot origins. page 174, Fig. Approximately 3,000 produced. Please help me with identifying those markings. As you see - new evidence produces mostly new questions. Estimated price on these beauties run between $3,500-$25,000. In Third Reich Lugers 1988 by J. The matching serial number is marked on the barrel extension, front of the frame and bottom of the barrel with the partial number "33 on most small parts including the inside of each grip panel. Police Lugers: German Police Lugers & their markings, 1918-1958 by Tinker. 2866 is pictured in two views, one with the Xs removed and the other enhanced. The E/Mg10 is thought to be the inspector stamp or proof marking used at this depot. Pictured are multiple views of the four brass studs and their dimensions used with the subject holster. Holster is also marked Bahnschutz RBD Halle (S) arms of this police force were a source of comflict with the IMKK, who There was an identical Zeitz marked holster offered for $695 on the web site of a major Luger retailer, however, stating in the description, specifically, that the holster is a WW2 police issue: ">WW2 police issue. the new police cleaning rod with brass stopper. The eagle in front is the type of the Weimar era and was in use from 1919 - 1939. Additionally, based on Opinion 2: I'm convinced that this is an Air Factory Werkschutz holster. Over all good condition. The bases for these identifications are as follows: a. Please report any errors to me. Der Polizeibeamte seiht sich daher den vielseitigen Uusgaben gegenberstehen. Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster, the subject cut-back artillery LP.08 holster to P.08 holster police marked, the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner, Pictured is a WW1 P08 army holster modified to a Police holster in the 1920s, whereas other identified, non-holster Hannover markings, such as Police P08s. Fr soll an dem inneren Miederausbau mit= arbeiten, die ffentliche Gicherheit, Ordnung und Ruhe frdern und vor allem jedem Brger die Mglichteit geben, seiner sittlichen Bflicht zur Bettigung seiner geistigen und trperlichen Krfte zum Mohle der Gesamtheit zu gengen. It is described as "Berlin Police Armory Acceptance Stamp. 7: 505: . Pictured is one such unique example. The military character and Regarding the completely intact magazine safety of 4559t, very few of these police Lugers survived as nearly all of these magazine safety assemblies were deactivated by cutting off the front end of the mechanism under a decree of May 1937. 3 days Left MAUSER C96 RED 9 POLICE, SIMSON REWORK. The first 1920s Weimar era police Luger holster of new manufacture to be recognized as such is not manufacture marked is a black dyed leather, full cover flap with a holster body attached, pear-shaped up-strap secured to the cover flap without a keeper via the leather slit and brass stud method. A single example exists of an extremely rare 1943 dated variation, made of impregnated pressed paper and is pictured in TPLAP, V3, page 1245 Fig. This is German WWI Naval crown m marked on the left receiver. German Police Lugers and their markings 1918-1958 by Edward B. Tinker and Dwight Gruber; 2012 S&W Walther PPK/s Review: Obsolete or Concealed Carry Gem? 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