The 36 yard zero holds lots of promise and is something I will likely play with some more at some time, but as of now my 1X optics are all zeroed at 50 yards and anything magnified is zeroed at 100 yards. If I was engaging a target past 200 with a RDS, a head hold would produce a center of mass impact 39 yard zero is actually my mpbr for 223 out to 420 with 3 inch spread. Just remember, that is a rough estimate based off of the velocities the ballistics app gave me. It drops the least across 300 yards (8.57"). ._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa{margin-top:8px}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa ._3EpRuHW1VpLFcj-lugsvP_{color:inherit}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa svg._31U86fGhtxsxdGmOUf3KOM{color:inherit;fill:inherit;padding-right:8px}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa ._2mk9m3mkUAeEGtGQLNCVsJ{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;color:inherit} If youve read all this and still arent sure of the answer, start with a 50 yard zero and go from there. It is useful for many. Place the target at 25 yards. A 25 yard zero yields roughly a 1/2" hold over at 10 yards, but will be POA/POI at 25. I saw that video a while back and messed around w/ the 36 yard zero. The only reason I would like to have less complicated hold over math is for when I'm out shooting for practice and up in the mountains roaming around. To move 1 with a 1/2 MOA click at 10 yards, you will need 20 clicks and so on. Save Share. 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I cant tell you which zero distance is the best one; thats really going to be up to you, your skill level and the set-up of your rifle. Put dot on center massfire away and you are GTG out to 300 with no thought needed for effective combat accuracy. I maped them all out on a big piece of paper. The reason for this is that at distance your hold over won't be as much and . The whole debate is pretty stupid. Using iron sights the SKS manual calls for a 100 meter zero prone with just a sling. But the 36 yard zero is flatter out to 300. This kind of medium range shooting should be easy if you zero at 100 yards and then adjust your elevation for a 200-yard shot. The bottom dot on the 0:0 axis is where the bullet would hit if you were aiming at a target 25 yards away with a 36yd zero which is approximately -.72 below your point of aim. Then POI will be slightly lower at 5 yards, and slightly higher at 15 due to parallax between bore axis and C/L of optic. These should also help those using different rifle setups (barrel length) and/or heavier grain bullets get close. My .02, 36 yard zero covered by a CD (4.65")out to 300 yrds. The 10-yard zero will suffer the least in the long run, falling to ~3.38 at 75 yards and to ~6.15 below point-of-aim at 100 yards. Thank you all for your suggestions and input . Aim at the waist and you will hit the chest. 36 yard zero Pros: Will get you out to 300 yards. and opinions expressed on this website are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the This makes it easy to achieve the POA/POI relationship necessary to achieve the rough 50/200 yard zero at 10 yards. As always, make sure to calculate the differences in clicks in your optics for the shorter range. However, for practicalitys sake youll want a zero that is essentially point-and-shoot within your desired effective range. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! At 25 yards, groups should be .3 inches (less than or just over ") high w/ rear sight set on "3". A solid option for shooting a short-barreled 223/5.56 to 200 yards. Sorry, an error occurred and we could not sign you up. 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My thanks to Matt at JTT for posting up this wonderful little target! Zeroing (also called sighting-in) is the process of adjusting your rifle's sighting apparatus (iron sights, electronic optic or riflescope) until its point-of-aim (POA) is calibrated to the bullets' point-of-impact (POI). Zeroing is best conducted by following these steps: Bore sighting Rough Adjustment Shoot a Group Fine Adjustment Optimal Zero For squirrels and rabbits under the conditions we hunt this works out well. ._1QwShihKKlyRXyQSlqYaWW{height:16px;width:16px;vertical-align:bottom}._2X6EB3ZhEeXCh1eIVA64XM{margin-left:3px}._1jNPl3YUk6zbpLWdjaJT1r{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;padding:0 4px}._1jNPl3YUk6zbpLWdjaJT1r._39BEcWjOlYi1QGcJil6-yl{padding:0}._2hSecp_zkPm_s5ddV2htoj{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;margin-left:0;padding:0 4px}._2hSecp_zkPm_s5ddV2htoj._39BEcWjOlYi1QGcJil6-yl{padding:0}._1wzhGvvafQFOWAyA157okr{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;border-radius:2px;margin-right:5px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;vertical-align:text-bottom;white-space:pre;word-break:normal;box-sizing:border-box;line-height:14px;padding:0 4px}._3BPVpMSn5b1vb1yTQuqCRH,._1wzhGvvafQFOWAyA157okr{display:inline-block;height:16px}._3BPVpMSn5b1vb1yTQuqCRH{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-body);border-radius:50%;margin-left:5px;text-align:center;width:16px}._2cvySYWkqJfynvXFOpNc5L{height:10px;width:10px}.aJrgrewN9C8x1Fusdx4hh{padding:2px 8px}._1wj6zoMi6hRP5YhJ8nXWXE{font-size:14px;padding:7px 12px}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y{border-radius:20px}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y:hover{opacity:.85}._2VqfzH0dZ9dIl3XWNxs42y:active{transform:scale(.95)} ._2Gt13AX94UlLxkluAMsZqP{background-position:50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-size:contain;position:relative;display:inline-block} At 36 yards, the bullet's trajectory will be 4 inches above the point of aim, and at 300 yards it will be about 2 inches below the point of aim, providing a suitable point of impact for distances between 25 and 300 yards. I've been at 36yd for about a year in the AR and AK, both are 5.56. I have been putting it to good use. Precision Rifles Marksmanship Win a FREE Membership! You will get effective hits out to 300. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Otherwise a 100-yard zero wastes your bullet's trajectory potential. Through Science! The 25/36 yard options are better suited for home/self defense. It is a very fast way to zero which is very convenient for me since many carbines are in a constant state of flux as I try various items for review. Cons: 300 yards is a 9-inch hold over and 400 yards is a 27-inch holdover. Not sure how big the Holo red dot is. It is a simple method but there are some caveats you will want to keep in mind. Pick whichever one you want to memorize the holds for. I prefer 200 yard zero for anything meant to shoot beyond 200 yards. Using a target like the Langdon Tactical Target, shoot 3 rounds at a 2-inch circle, 10 yards away. It will cross your line of sight twice; once at where you zeroed it, and once again when the bullet starts to drop. @keyframes ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5{0%{transform:rotate(0deg)}to{transform:rotate(1turn)}}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq{--sizePx:0;font-size:4px;position:relative;text-indent:-9999em;border-radius:50%;border:4px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyTextAlpha20);border-left-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);transform:translateZ(0);animation:ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5 1.1s linear infinite}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq,._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{width:var(--sizePx);height:var(--sizePx)}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{border-radius:50%}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq._2qr28EeyPvBWAsPKl-KuWN{margin:0 auto} It is a simple target with a 1.9 grid and two dots. Round drops off after 225 yards from a 5.5 hold to a 9 hold at 250 and it just falls. To help keep things on track and provide context, Im using a SAINT Victor 5.56 rifle with a 16 barrel shooting some flavor of 55- to 62-gr. 36yrd zero for 5.56 and 50/200 for .308 is good enough for most everyone that isn't precision shooting. they have figured out a target you can zero on at 10 yards which will give you a 50/200 yard zero for your rifle at range. To me this makes the 100 yard zero a perfect choice for a carbine that will be used in close terrain where long shots will be limited. For all intents and purposes, I dont think youre going to be let down or at a severe disadvantage if you choose either one over the other. I mentioned inread more , A question has come to mind lately about the various product offerings out in the firearm world particularly red dotread more . . Springfield Armory recommends you seek qualified and competent training from a But by what percentage vs a 25 yard zero? The other 2 charts, 50 and 100 are way different as far as bullet drop goes. 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