Yeah. Said, "Deadly enmity between two friends make poor men's cattle break their necks, set fire on barns, and haystacks in the night, and bid the owners quench them with their tears. Two more minutes. That's it? We want what Elizabethan's got at the scaffold, which was a confession. And so, 1918 Fritz Haber gets a Nobel Prize, but this is why he's such an interesting guy. The one that everybody knows, the so called baseline. He has such great faith in me." And when hydrogen and nitrogen bond together, the thing you get-. Thank you to Jim Shapiro, whose most recent book is called Contested Will. You wouldn't though, would you really? On the other hand, I mean, if you look at the grand calculus, people he's helped or fed, versus people he's killed, I mean he's fed billions of people. Like, he didn't intend for that to happen. Then you're kind of done with them. There's trench warfare. Now, admittedly it's a war, but still. Humans. And so, we've decided that it's time to go back to something we did once upon a time when we were wondering about good and bad. What makes boys boys and girls girls. Hey, I'm Jad Abumrad. He says that he's always been hiring people based on how smart they are, and not who their grandparents were. And Haber has an idea. What kind of tech company does the world need today? Okay, we're going off tape now. ", "We'll basically bring it to the front and when the- when the wind is right, we'll just spray it.". She was one of the first women to earn a PhD in her country. He figured maybe one percent of these men would keep flicking the switches, up to the highest voltage. By the ocean of breath twice, I remember I carried your oxygen. It is, arguably, the most significant scientific breakthrough of them all. "I need to kill because of that." By this point, David moved on to a new university and he's teaching an introductory psychology class. But over the entire ocean, there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments-. And 91% of the men said yes. The good Iago who makes you want to shower the minute you leave the theater 'cause you are sullied by him. That's what you do. And he did too. Take one. That afternoon, he gets in his car, goes home, he finds my mom on the deck, sits down next to her. When you call someone, "Evil." The subjects of 40 males between the ages of 20 and 50. Oft have I digged up dead men from their graves and set them upright at their dear friend's door. "Definitely yes.". Of course normally just have one experimenter who's giving you these instructions. And you find yourself in a situation where you've got to do something that's hard. Then suddenly the thought occurred to me that my life would be much happier without him in existence.". And on June 13th, 2003, Gary was secretly taken out of his jail cell and brought to this sort of very nondescript concrete ugly office building and, um, over the next six months from June to early December. And my dad said, "I don't want to talk about it." James Shapiro, professor of English at Columbia University. Yet you go into this anyway, knowing full well that it could-, "That is true. He recruited a bunch of subjects. Check out the Blank Slate, a book by Steven Pinker, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. We want what Elizabethans got at the scaffold, which was a confession. It was actually a crushing blow for- for him. Want to talk about bad people in Shakespeare. Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. With help from Adam Cole, Rachel James, and Matt [Kielty 01:07:25]. Gary said, "I needed to kill them," they go, "Why?" You're telling us all this. As soon as it did, soldiers began to convulse. And then it was several hours later, in the middle of the night, that I got the call. Rocket Mortgage by Quicken Loans. All rights reserved. in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. And, you know, the class ended and I went back to my office. I think I call it pince-nez, so I'm not sure. It is- it is arguably the most significant scientific breakthrough of them all. And one of the first acts that the Nazis do is to basically issue an order that says there shall be no Jews in the civil service. A hero. We just got to get ov- get out of it where-. And he spent five years in a futile effort to distill gold from the ocean's waters. Visit our website. Although once again we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. And Christensen, I dated her several times bef- three times- two times before. And then, he just trails off. I do not stand alone. So every day, they would bring them into this conference room-, This is a continuation of an interview with Gary Leon Ridgeway-. No. And so, Gary starts going through this narrative of what he did to Carol. Very distinctive looking man, bald on top, trim nice mustache, wore a little [pince-nez 00:28:20]. He goes straight to the German [inaudible 00:36:56] and- and he pitches this idea. Let's expect more from technology, let's put smart to work, visit ibm.com/smart to learn more. Chimps. Here's what he did. Push button, get mortgage. And what happens is that your elbowing the nitrogen apart from itself, and then forcing it to bond with the hydrogen in a new way. Uh, he was doing his- his great science work right around the turn of, uh, the 20th century. I'll go along with this.". To feed about 30 million people. We should say that this next section of the program has some references which are extremely graphic-. More energy than seemed, like, possible to make. "From this time forth, I never will speak a word." Thanks. Who they would kill, where they'd do it, when. Cruelty, violence, badness. Jeff Jensen's book is the Green River Killer: A True Detective Story. And they would circle yes or no. 'cause this room's echo-ey and you know there's nothing like a closet full of clothes to, like, help balance that out. "Well why can't you deal with it in a normal way?". Uh, it makes up four out of every five or so molecules that we breathe. Hmm. The thing is that I do have a new boyfriend, but my ex boyfriend doesn't know that- that yet, and I'm terrified that he'll do what he says. 1933 comes. It comes to us from our reporter, Aaron Scott. Nothing to be ashamed of. And I think what we want out of the why is meaning. Shoots herself in the chest. For when the subjects didn't want to continue? They reach back to the shelf and they find this zyklon stuff. Uh, so what happened to David that night with his friend got him really curious about murder and badness and all these things we're thinking about. I do have a choice. So basically, at 6 p.m. on April 22nd-. Today's date is, uh, June 17th. There are hints of reasons. And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. Our- our friend. SciShow Tangents That's Fritz Haber's wife. But Haber saw it as a wonderful success and wished- wished that the Germans had been better prepared to exploit it because he felt like they really could have made a terrific advance if they had had more confidence. Radiolab. The first victims of the Green River killer were found in the summer of 1982. You're telling this [inaudible 01:02:30]. Dan Charles, Sam Keen, Latif Nasser, Fred Koffman and Fritz Stern. But if they were prepared to do that, when I suspect a lot of them would, then we'd say, "These are people who really believe in science, and isn't this a good thing that we have people in our society, who are willing to make sacrifices-. Like, saying like, "I don't want to kill a guy.". Haber finds himself in a little town in Belgium called Yp-. New York Public Radio transcripts are created on a rush deadline, often by contractors. How many times would they shock that sad-. And that's all the difference in the world. Imagine how it feels to have an award-winning team by your side through the mortgage process. We realize this is hard work, but what you are doing is for the good of Germany. And we didn't really come to any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. He gets promoted to the rank of captain-. He just kind of went crazy. With higher and higher voltage. In fact we hate being told. Gary starts going through this narrative of what he did to Carol. Meanwhile later that night, the other side of town. This story made us wonder, "Is David's friend-". If the experiment- if the experiment had to be successful, it had to be carried on.". The questionnaires they filled out are part of the Milgram archive at Yale. A lot of them were like, "This is not how you fight a war.". And I used to socialize with him and- and his wife. Three, two, one. Carries electric shocks. This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. But there's been a fellow, I've been thinking about him for the better part of year, as you know-. And I devoted one class session to the topic of homicide and why people kill. Hmm. And this is the difference between Kaiser Wilhelm and of course Hitler's Germany. And my father wasn't buying it. Yellow mucus was frothing out of their mouths. I can't quite place him. He was trying to repeat this master stroke. And you know what? You know, what does he say? This is RadioLab. He knew about it. She had something else on her mind. Yep, women participants, he had an experimenter who wasn't a scientist, but was a member of the general public. Leaving his son alone with his dead mother. So the subjects seem willing to shock another human being, but as soon as you say, "It's an order.". There's lots and lots of lessons here, but one is I think when you're enjoying to do something for the greater good, maybe ask yourself the question, "What is greater, and what is good?". Radiolab - Transcripts Subscribe 187 episodes Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. Direct your voice to the microphone in the room. She was good to- she was good to me. Here it goes. I mean it's a fact, of course, that they're administering pain to a stranger, that's what's horrifying about it, but imagine they were administering pain to themselves. Cruelty, violence, badness in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. Pat, go ahead. The fact that he kept on doing it over and over and over again was like, "Come on.". Eventually Iago convinces Othello that his wife has been disloyal; which she hasn't. So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments the same year that Adolf Eichmann goes on trial for Nazi war crimes. So, right around 1900. Did members of Haber's family die in the concentration camp? That is true. Especially because she found out he was leaving the next day to direct more gas attacks. [2] And I was just astonished-. Of course nobody wants to be killing other people. And to this day, they have not talked about that day, and he hasn't talked about it with anyone until I interviewed him for the book. I'm not going to give you- I'm- I'm not going to help restore the sense that there is a moral order to the world and a moral norm. And to approach it with kind of crazy joy, I don't know. Outside of WNYC, I think This American Life does as well, and I know enthusiastic fans transcribed Serial.. Because Haber figured out a way to take nitrogen from the air, put it into the barren ground and grew wheat. His health is failing in 1934, he takes a trip to Switzerland to a sanatorium-. But the generals were not all that convinced? Does everybody, at some point, have something dark in them that just tiptoes out, from time to time? Fast forward 10 years. Really, that story's been told a million and one times for the last 50 years, we've just got to get over it. With all of the black-and-white moralizing in our world today, we decided to bring back an old show about the little bit of bad that's in all of us.and the little bit of really, really bad that's in some of us. At high temperature. This has allowed the world to have seven billion people. Do you think that more studies of this sort should be carried out?" I'm about to help this quest for knowledge. The Bad Show.ogg download. Visit our website terms of use at www.wnyc.org for further information. That's right. That's my thing and that's where I'm going to stand on it. He's bad. Suspected that it could be upwards of 75. A liquid. If you breathed it in, it sort of irritates your lungs to the extent that they sort of fills up with fluid so quickly that you sort of drowning in your own phlegm. They've got a- a very plausible, very credible high status scientist at a high status scientific institution. We've got to know now. What makes a bad person so bad that he's different from the rest of us? This is Radiolab, and today we're going to get back, so to speak. So, here's the interesting thing. She was a- I knew she had a daughter in the last [crosstalk 01:01:03]. So, every day they would bring him into this conference room. He could do anything. It makes up four out of every five or so molecules that we breathe, so it's very-. He says that he's gonna- He's always been hiring people based on how smart they are and not who their grandparents were. How many of them went into that kind of detail? And once again, another nitrogen compound. But if you could somehow get a real Iago in the room, and subject that person to questioning, and really get them to sort of fess up as to why they did it, would that make a difference? But what if something's happened to the man. We begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. And oddly enough, we got a really interesting take on the true nature of badness from this guy-. We, as onlookers to this study, we have this kind of godlike sort of vision of like, "Well, of course, what they're doing is wrong." Imagine they really were had to administer shocks to themselves or something. Yes, and he did too. I really want to do a good job.". So you ask like, "Why do people do bad things?". And it's this defense. 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