Use these steps to guide you on your journey. Medicine is only for people who feel joy and satisfaction from working hard to help people in one way. Ill have to see what is out there. Badgers, medicine is one big algorithm. As someone who is in their nth career, I think we have to take ownership of our own situations. Participation is open for anyone, including PAs, Physicians, NPs, nurses, students, other medical professionals, and the general public. I'm a new graduate. Fact is, the world doesn't need a ton of House MD's, certainly not in primary care where 90-95% of what we see is obvious and our boards beat the other 5-10% to death. Please review our forum rules before contributing. The most common treatment of y is z." JP: When I started PA school, I didnt know which specialty I wanted to practice. That's all the hints & lead that I can provide at the time. These are not easy choices and there can be substantial obstacles to overcome. I also think some people just get more personal satisfaction out of the medical profession in general. Physician Assistants provide healthcare services typically performed by a physician, under the supervision of a physician. How do you navigate work-life balance? My classmates seem to either have hit the jackpot with low-stress jobs, or they're all full of shit and just not showing it. In New York we have no choice but to sell our souls to the doctors and hospitals. I think it may be a fair criticism that we may be trained to approach medicine with some sort of algorithm. Not a PA, but an NP, and I feel the same way you do. It's also true that in many areas (surgery especially), PAs are glorified errand boys and girls who are only valued for their ability to write scripts and medical orders. I dont know if Im suffering from the grass is greener on the other side. I completely respect the possibility that you really arent meant to be in medicine, but I dont think you can determine that with certainty until you remove the factors that seem to be making you miserable. All Rights Reserved. For my first job out of PA school, I found a position in oncology and was able to stay in Pittsburgh. So while there are great PAs there are PAs that are no better than MAs, just like there are MD/DO who are complete idiots and lazy. This website uses cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our website. To be fair, there are boatloads of unhappy physicians out there as well. A lot of people probably go to medical school with a romantic notion about Weiter zum Hauptinhalt LinkedIn. Copyright 2022 Be a PA Consultants, All rights reserved. Before you jump into becoming a physician assistant (or a physician, for that matter), know that it will sometimes ask things from you even when you dont have them to spare. If I could go back in time, I would actually choose a totally different career path; probably as far away from the healthcare field as possible! NPs he thinks are even worse. The lawsuit Eugene Volokh, Locals Technology Inc. and Rumble Canada Inc. v. Letitia James alleged A.7865A/S.4511 infringes on First Amendment freedom of speech by requiring social I have been considering moving to a teaching hospital. About eight months in, I was looking for part-time work in an ER to help pay off my student loans. I'd do a masters' degree in counseling and make myself an ersatz psychiatrist, because that's FAR more needed than a doc who is admittedly superior to PAs in isolating the correct diagnosis in an undifferentiated new disease state. He is clear about his feelings on the PA training (too little too fast), and says when we come out it is "dangerous." My switch flipped. Haha I'm glad and at the same time, sad that I'm not alone. Im literally about to call off tomorrow because I just cant do it. No carreer is going to be sunshine and roses 100% of the time. It was a great experience. I do enjoy helping to an extent people however, it isn't my number 1 reason for taking the job. I am fortunate to have found a role as a PA that was so hard to give up, and I have no regrets about "overstaying" my original plan. I'm Urology. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. After you graduate from an accredited PA program, youll be ready to sit for the PANCE (the Physician Assistant National Certifying Exam). And we all appreciate a nice clean work environment. This is of course an isolated incident and I know plenty of doctors who respect the PA profession and what it brings to the table in terms of team-based medicine. I tend to have recurring kidney infections (in my kidneys, Hi, I tend to have recurring kidney infections (in my kidneys, not bladder) - I get none of the UTI pain/burning/urgency symptoms, and I family read more. Press J to jump to the feed. However I really don't know what I can do with a PA degree. It wasn't a matter of not wanting anything to change. And PA students may be interested in /r/PAstudent for discussions geared towards PA school. Once you finish PA school you will have the honor of joining the miserable, underpaid, overworked, It's like an ER doc denigrating a nurse or tech working on a code with them. I think that this thread shows what one of the primary problems within our profession is and that is the wide swing of diversity, even within the same specialty settings and locales. I have one of those jobs - yes, my colleagues get on my nerves from time to time and I often don't get the respect I feel I deserve. After that, I move on to the next thing on my to do list. Michael Reagan, the son of President Ronald Reagan, is an author, speaker and president of the Reagan Legacy Foundation. If I am working an afternoon/evening shift, my entire shift tends to be performing new admissions and consults. I think what they say is true that medicine should be a calling and you should get into it because you love caring for others otherwise. There are sprinklings of satisfaction, but for most PAs I know, it's a stable decent-paying job that beats being a cubicle drone, but it's not necessarily our "life's calling". I found the one during the spring of my clinical year. Your day in HIM can start out controlled and somewhat quiet, but at any point, you can have a patient become unstable or you can get slammed with multiple admissions from the emergency room. I think your state makes a big difference; as much as your specialty. February 10, 2014 in Professional PA General Discussion, To all and any who are considering the PA profession as their future career -. Anyone else feel this way? How does being a hospitalist PA work for your family? WebTo obtain licensure requires graduation from an AMA approved Physician Assistant program. I wanted to have enough knowledge that I could look at a scan and be able to tell the difference between two different cancers. Kelli, practicing as a PA for about five years at the time, made this determination on her own. I just don't like what practicing medicine consists of. Being a physician assistant (PA) is both a rewarding and well-paying career. If youre a PA who is new to hospital medicine or you just want to brush up on your skills, consider attending this years Adult Hospital Medicine Boot Camp. Yes, the doctor is more prestigious and should know more. It's a lot of bureaucracy, billing games, ignorant and demanding patients, and massive student loans to boot. A few years ago, a good friend (and PA colleague) somehow managed to quit and move out of town, on to a new adventure. JP: Work-life balance is a difficult thing. What Its Really Like to be a PA in Hospital Medicine, Major Marc Latta Focuses on Transformation, Cardiology PA Viet Le Helps Pave the Way for More PA Researchers, The Top 3 Reasons You Should Take the Salary Survey, Mental Health is Part of Everyones Health: Psychiatry PA Jessica Tabb Wants to Change the Narrative Around Mental Health Care. 109. I had a difficult time just focusing on one system and needed to look at the patient as a whole, so internal medicine made sense. Beyond the number of PAs, I also had a lot of colleagues that were in the same boat as me. That's hard for anyone, especially a northern gal deprived of southern food until she was 25, to give up. I know a lot of nurses that hated nursing and thats the route they went. They moved from out of state; they didn't have family here and came alone. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, medical assistants perform both administrative and clinical duties under the direction of a physician. I know it's hard to change your life around, but sometimes that is the only way to break out of the funk. Create authentic, effective responses for your PA school interview with a proven step-by-step framework. Just put your head down, work hard, and earn the respect you want. Im tired of seeing patients. All Rights Reserved. Every night I come home and try to escape my work day. Ive been working as a PA in orthopaedic surgery for about a year. uscareerinstitute.edu. But if it was in healthcare, it would be the path of a doctor. This book is a study manual for the Medical Council of Canada licensing examsand it's written by current residents/fellows. My days will be occupied by listening to her soft snoring while she sleeps and feeding her peanut butter milk bones while she's awake. Good luck to you! It has to be written down! It honestly makes me tremendously depressed. Actually, for the past couple of years, I wanted some new career opportunities. If I am assigned to an afternoon shift, my work day starts at noon or 2 p.m. We work 12-hour shifts and have six APPs on each day who work at staggered start times in order to provide adequate cover for patient care. However, I cant foresee myself doing this for the rest of my life. Many docs are employees of someone else. Specialty experience is preferred on a position-by-position basis. WebHate being a medical assistant. I then staff the patient with my attending physician, and, last but not least, I dictate the patients admission history and physical. Four months later, I was a Texan. The spectrum of work hours, conditions, level of autonomy, and pay is tremendous; possibly more so than any other direct provider profession. My dog, Lulu, has an advanced dog version of ALS, and I plan on staying out of work and with her until the end. I have a great SP. Powered by Invision Community, Welcome to the Physician Assistant Forum! It sounds like that doctor has had a bad experience (or no experience at all) with physician extenders. I've been in several different specialties and 5 jobs. There is a lot of talk about autonomy, but not much to really go around. By Rounding and discharges are breaking your back - you gonna spend $120K on a PA and back them up a little bit or double that ++ on another doc? I've though about working a meanial job and paying the bare minimum on my loans. To be blunt, we have practically no experience, especially joining a new specialty. How do you generally evaluate and treat patients? The grass is always greener on the other side. I have been a pa since 1996 as well and share some of your frustrations at times. Let this be a cautionary tale. They all lacked real patient care experience. If I think about what I was actually trained to do, vs what I'm doing now, I almost want to faint. Or am i asking for too much as a new grad and should lower my expectations? Plus, from what Ive seen having a Masters in PA isnt really marketable in other industries like an MD or RN. They usually believe things that are demonstrated with rational data, and as a result, they tend to collect a lot of data before making decisions. Another helpful characteristic of HIM PAs is being obsessive (in a healthy manner) about details to make sure all of the patients medical conditions are addressed and nothing is missed. She discussed with us what her life as a hospitalist PA is like. Eight years later than expected, my switch finally flipped. Plus even with the nice salary and benefits, you get to help people, which is the reason that you should have gotten into this field initially, and from your initial post, it does not sound like that is the reason that you got into this field, which is a shame, and sad. The learning curve for the younger PAs now is huge because many do not have the patient care experience. If some doc said that to me, I'll just smile and say yup you better be. The iRobot Roomba j7+ is designed with the issue of dog poop in mind. All Rights Reserved. Each new patient I see is staffed with the attending physician. I'm glad that I stayed the course. It won't be long until machine learning allows computers to supplant human providers for diagnostics? It hasn't. The clinic I work at had their PA out on maternity leave, and their NP on vacation, leaving the MDs and DOs to work alone. But they need look in the mirror and stop checking boxes. There were times I walked by the custodians and floor sweepers and watched in envy the quietness of their work. Im not being snide here for some people (and they Actually, PAs are not the cause if the problem. I used to think that all problems would be solved in my lifetime. Our physicians value our opinions and the perspective we bring. She didn't check with her collaborating physician or show him the CT scan before she saw the patient. I know it would be hard during peak months (winter) but me getting in when the load is light is nice. Indeed, estimates from the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) indicate that the U.S. could face a shortfall of between 21,000 and 55,000 primary care doctors by 2023. However what makes MD/DOs more dangerous is many actually believe they are fully prepared fresh out of residency. I have met so many people in the past ten years that had the same plan as me. AAPA is the national organization that advocates for all PAs and provides tools to improve PA practice and patient care. Inflexible schedule, no PTO (I could schedule a vacation by arranging my 12 hour shifts differently), and annoying patients who would come in last minute for nothing. Explore, be flexible & you'll be happy you did. Feeling trapped sucks! I'm so relieved this is how most people apparently feel. Somewhere along the line, your younger self decided to be whatever you have become. I hear many stories from successful PAs who love their job, and garner all of the respect that a professional clinician deserves. Nature, truth, virtue, are the influx from thence. I think it's common. Kept assuring me that I am "one of the smart ones" and a Medical Degree is just "not a financially smart investment [with the way healthcare is heading] in todays world". Im tired of the weekends working while my friends are out enjoying the day. Im tired of being woken up in the middle of the night when Im on call. For pre-PA help, check out /r/prephysicianassistant. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. WebWhen you access a Sutter Health network hospital, physician or medical specialist, you'll be tapping into Northern California's premier care network for you and your family. People in both roles complete a bachelor's degree in pre-med or a similar field, such as biology, nutrition, public health or biochemistry. 89. Communism rules and capitalism is dead (meaning - we're not even allowed to choose our own future as an entrepreneur and open our own practice; even if we hire our own supervising physicians!) I shouldve really thought about what I really wanted out in life before I decided to go down this road. Again, if you're thinking of PA school Take my advice go to medical school. The ones I am interested in wont hire a new grad. Hey fellow new grad! I've done outpatient and inpatient in 2 different fields. Yes it will be a longer path and a harder one, but it will end. I am someone who needs to work and keep busy, but to balance it out, I love spending time with my children. Most have intrusive insurance organizations telling them how to do things. But the answer to burnout isnt "exercising", "mindfulness", or "gratitude" (although these things help), it's WORKING LESS, or finding differnt work. That's a facetious comment btw. Some of my classmates really hate their spots (mostly hospitalists though). In PA school, everyone dreams of finding that perfect fit. Lots of happy PAs in my neck of the woods. Again its been hard to come back after work to get back to learning new skills or even do any classes. This smart vacuum includes iRobot's P.O.O.P. They were summa cum laudes and valedictorians too. Younger physicians are well acquainted with how competitive PA school has become, have friends that are PAs, and are more willing to experiment with how they can utilize us. Jobs are out there that will afford you the respect, autonomy, and fulfillment that you seek. Im tired of working through my lunch break. You have 2 articles left this month. It would appear that physicians (especially physician moms) are waking up to the unworkability of the medical profession. Realize that this is a normal feeling. She said the diagnosis did not match the CT images. Pretty much any stepping stones from here are going to require some experience (1-3 years), unless Nobody seems to bother them You sound pretty run down and stressed. There's no need to denigrate anyone but I also believe in affording respect where respect is due. Learn some professionalism; just because it sucks in New York doesn't mean it will suck elsewhere. As I've gotten older though, I've come to realize that some problems will take a lot longer to solve and new ones will keep cropping up. Theres no turning the clock back now. I applaud you for your outspoken opinion on career satisfaction. Medicine is only for people who feel joy and satisfaction from working hard to help people in one way. 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