Socket (right): Savage was the only other maker to follow Singer's pattern of marking the spring plunger. 0000013061 00000 n i would guess longbranch with savage magazine box and some brit parts thrown in for good measure , it does not seem at all unreasonable for the indian FR and yes the indians did no favors for collectors but there is no question who did the deed. My Long Branch No4 Mk1* has the "angled Transition". The new rifle was well regarded by the troops receiving them. The maker is unknown, but is believed to be Belgian. Since the Government arms factories were already running at capacity producing rifles and machine guns, private contracts were let for bayonet production. The No. As the war drew to a close the field feedback resulted in a prototype webbing target style sling being trialed (made by MECo). 4 spike bayonets used by Turkey. BSA experienced a third level of maker coding change - each of its factories were given an "A,B,C" location definition. Mazak is, by far, the most common, followed by blued steel. VNS mark represents "Viners Ltd. Sheffield, England" a subcontractor of Enfield parts. Occasionally, viewer's (inspector's) marks are found on No. The Savage-Stevens plant in Chicopee Falls was where New England Westinghouse produced Mosin-Nagant M1891 rifles in 19151917 under contract to the Imperial Russian government. If you liked this information and want to learn more, this volume is an excellent resource. II bayonets during 1941 and 1942. Thank you for the welcome. A small number of aluminum mouthpieces are known, along with a single brass mouthpiece example (discussed below). The first photo below is of a Hollands installed cheek piece on a 1944 scopeless rifle - its position, form and fit is per the as-new standard. Pattern 1907 Bayonet over stamped 8 (1908) Wilkingson . 0000007555 00000 n I scabbards were made in the USA. The demand of new ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle's has risen 8 units over the past 12 months. On the opposite side of the RFI 1963 stamp,is there a serial number? Lee Enfield #4 MK1 - MARSTAR CANADA. by gruff27 22 Mar 2012, 20:09, Post No fluff here is the real guff on the #4 mk1 : No4 MkI - All About Enfields and another Britains Lee Enfield No 4 Rifle - History By Cammack happy reading ,Try find a British made one you know its going to be far better than some copy from over the water Broadarrow Well-Known Member Oct 30, 2018 #7 ''Parkerised'' Long branch nO 4 Once the initial range of numbers was maxed out a letter prefix was added and the numbering began again. 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On the right the M47C, date and TR are as they should be - all else is modified, retouched or swapped out I sniper variants. Prior to their creation a variety of WWI sniper rifles were in use. The schools were also populated by inter-bellum target shooters who had already experienced the Parker Hale and other specialist center / front trigger guard screw replacement sling swivels and various format canvas / webbing slings. 4 Mk. You are using an out of date browser. BRITISH or CANADIAN WWII ENFIELD SLING or BREN used cond. Savage marked their bayonets with the letter "S". 769 0 obj<> endobj These specific letter prefixes were assigned to ROF Fazakerley and BSA Shirley, the only two manufacturers of the No5 rifle, this ensured that there would be no duplicate serials during the production run of No5s. British No4 rifles were set up with a 5 digit serial number system with 1XXXX being allotted to Maltby, 2XXXX Fazakerley, 3XXXX BSA Shirley. LEE ENFIELD NO. The latter will have an engraving on the flat side of the receiver which will read something like (taking one of my rifles as an example), F(FTR)49. This is a Lee Enfield No. The factory site was razed to accommodate (apartment) flats in the mid-1980s. 4 Mk. Prior to the Great War (World War One, WWI, 1914-1919), the Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield (SMLE) left the factory with a buttstock marking disc, a small, removable piece of brass inletted into the right side of the buttstock; a place for the Unit Armourer to stamp a unit identification. Cure Date: Sheffield Steel Products of Sheffield, Yorkshire. 4 Mk. On the left, the scopeless one exhibits all marks as freehand stamps under the blackened surface - except the serial which may be a light stamp or a very precise electro-pencil. In correspondence, Anthony Carter indicated that Brades was the maker of many of the entrenching tools. 4Mk. This is stamped on the band: 1943 A L 1 1385 Also on the rear barrel band it is stamped VNS with a little crown underneath of it and there is an I stamped on the front sight guard. Popularly known as the "Victory Plastics" scabbard, it was unique in design compared to all other No. Founded in 1999. The socket is fabricated by welding together seven sheet steel stampings, eliminating the socket forging process altogether. No4 mk1 is stamped on the side of the reciever. 0000013109 00000 n 4 Mk. I've seen guys actually twist the action because they are so tight. The No. 4 Mark I rifle was adopted on Nov. 15, 1939. 4 MK 1 and retained its original chambering in .303 British. Quantity: 2 ea. was a firm called Princess Silk Shades, who made webbing during the War. H&B The frog measures 4.875in. 4 bayonets. The leather belt frog is of unknown origin. All of the numbers on the metal (except the magazine) are matching. The following makers' codes are noted on some bayonet blades and scabbards, it is quite possible that they may also appear on firearms and related components. According to Skennerton, 25,000 experimental MkII scabbards were manufactured by the Franco-British Electrical Company, Tempel Park, Hurley. 0 4 was 44 12" long, weighed 8 lbs., 11 ozs., and had been adopted in 1939 to replace the Short, Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)renamed the No. This example came in a modified Turkish belt frog. Unissued Savage Enfield No 4 Mk1 Rifle , 303 British. Note that not all FTR rifle were converted. Canadian Arsenals produced a run of approximately 5,000 No. The box label indicates that these were packed November 1963, at the 5th Storage Depot. 5 Mk I (for example, Savage or Bayonet The No. I (T) and No. SPONSORED. An additional 1944 Wrist / Action stamping group - an excellent condition example. The U.S.M5 scabbard was made by Beckwith Manufacturing Co. of Dover, New Hampshire. Lot of 4 Vintage Tin Halloween Noisemakers. Prince-Smith used four different markings: Howard & Bullough Co. of Accrington, Lancashire, was one of the smaller makers of the No. 4 Rifle," appeared originally in the April 2004 issue of American Rifleman. This revised specimen was the best of its type and was still in use by NATO forces. This means Royal Ordance Factory Fazakerly, Factory Through Repair, 1949. BO 12151 (the five digit no. The No. . III (substitute) scabbard with parallel sides and oval frog stud. The No. 10,203. Surplus Lee-Enfield spike bayonet with scabbard/sheath. 210.00. Welcome to the forum. This Mk. II bayonets packaged in a cardboard carton. examples with "E", "F" and "S" marks in a bright blued finish (often with a triangle that is a little too tight for the leather 1907 sling). The item on the left has been rebuilt, but features other components marked "SM" for consistency. In the British war time contract scheme there were 2 phases of demarcation - early / pre-war marks, and later regionalized contractor codes, For mid 1943 and down you are seeking the early war markings from Singer (SM), after that seek the regional producer code (S69 - for Southern region, 69th contractor). Information on the scope as well would be appreicated. 1* imported by Century International Arms. Not too mention it looks better with the walnut furniture over the birch. 4 bayonets went to New Zealand. I will have to check through Skennerton tonight. II was, by far, the most numerous variant, with over 3.3million units produced. The beechwood furniture is smooth, bright and unblemished. More importantly, everything it makes has the performance to match. 5 S.D. %PDF-1.4 % That`s a No4 Mk1* made by Savage for England in the days of WW 2. The used value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has fallen ($61.94) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $563.89 . British Lee-Enfield No7 Mk1/L knife bayonet, scabbard and frog M/78 Date 1954. As interest in replacing the No. When the No4T was conceived the cheek piece was transferred / continued. The size, position and style of font are particular to the Hollands application. 4 bayonets. [35] These later T's often went into stock as "Scopeless" - a rifle in a transit chest as a spare part - awaiting a need and the addition of a scope and bracket - plus all the other CES. The safety latch style and M47C mark are of note as is the rear pad, flush slotted screw and interestingly the screw being staked at the top. II was a simplified version, eliminating the milling cuts required to create the cruciform blade flutes. Up Next we have a Lend-Lease Agreement Lee Enfield No.4 MK1 Rifle Chambered in .303 Brit, And this Rifle is in Excell. There were basic diagrams and instructions in the various Sniping training pamphlets, however I wanted to add a little more description and variation (with photos. The Short, Magazine Lee Enfield (SMLE) delivered sterling service from the mud of Flanders to the farthest reaches of the Empire. Places that will have the serial information is on the bolt, receiver and normally the barrel. Hollands were contracted to produce enough swivels to retro fit all arms found in service and they were provided as an armourer spare part. Baird Engineering Company of Belfast, Northern Ireland, produced approximately 101,103 bayonets from 19421944. These prefixes can be used to authenticate these rifles if found in a gun shop or personal collection. wide at the extremes. The company disappeared in 1970. The real loop is similarly for adjusting tautness from the biceps to the butt sling of the rifle when in the firing shoulder "pocket". The Savage-Stevens Co. of Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts, made approximately 1.25million No. Singer and other producers (Savage has been observed). The Government assigned each manufacturer a Dispersal Code to use in lieu of their trademark. startxref 1 Rifle in 1926that had served with . "1951" and broad arrow proofmark, Cover (Inside): "P.S.S. 1 Enfield rifle was adopted by the United Kingdom in 1941. The bolt heads are marked 0, 1, 2, or 3. Production occurred during the latter half of 1941 and into the early months of 1942. Description: Bayonet They did not add the serial number of the rifle to the second butt stock edge, nor the S51 mark to the wrist - this Hollands work is not recognized as required for continued service in those parts. HWn7WpW)|s,iY&(T{+S{ycI( xxu_X')r_%m%ae[ov!n{wKrI|%Rs*5Pg" crR&%Nu2KC G?8~3TZ,GrpOMl">Ep%PT>|`(8-8i,&v#b7R U,i~D H2MV~p}-6eY3@K_wlqwC0TWv jwv~=4=?9K2/.$gc|dr_1Ti)wbz|y!A|Q6%w%j6gcB/GccvuY L>WpRQw- %zSZ9TbTdkuI?p`!_Uo_ M]TTy0& ~al2{|A2,`W&rf2-F^KN.w2A2bD F[0Iu&hSXYdOD9(=JshJa@. A general guide for military surplus rifles, pistols, and ammunition. A listing of British and Commonwealth bayonet markings is available on Bryan Browns Old Military Markings Web site. 7B/1005/21/103/1147 So they languished deep in the Weedon bunkers. II* bayonets. 0000004719 00000 n According to Skennerton, more than 2 million Mk. It was thought that these may have been used by Australian units serving alongside the British Army, however, Australian issue of these bayonets has not been confirmed. This symbol is similar to the Australian Defence Dept. What makes this particular Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.2 an 'obscure' object of desire: it's in abso-fricking-lutely 100% condition. 0000000756 00000 n Seen in the picture above are the places where the serial number and manufacturer can be found. Home Articles Guns & Parts Suppressors Optics & Thermals Ammunition Gear News & Opinion Columns Museums & Factory Tours ID Guides Interviews Event Coverage Articles by Issue Volume 1 V1N1 (Oct 1997) V1N2 (Nov 1997) V1N3 (Dec 1997) V1N4 (Jan 1998) AA5081 is the stores catalogue number. This also disbursed production, mitigating the risk of production being interrupted by bombing. 4Mk. RV# 11322, Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over a superimposed "LB". It is essentially an updated N0. An example would be: rifle serial number 52C2689 would be the 522,689th rifle produced by Savage Stevens. Batch No: No5 rifles (Jungle Carbines) serial numbers consisted of a sequential 4 digit number starting with 0001 running through to 9999, the numbers were preceded by a letter prefix. Similarly Savage rifles that are genuine and completed to a fully scoped "T" are rare and early. II* bayonets, Baird secured the spike to the socket using a steel pin. The front curved shape of the cheek piece was prone to splitting so finger inserts and repairs are often seen hear to keep the rifle working. 4 (T) 303 BRITISH SNIPER RIFLE 1944 . The rifle Savage produced was the Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.1*, a British military design that was adopted by the U.K. just a few years before World War II began. The volume of serial number inquiries has prompted me to fashion this page together and try and explain how best to identify a particular rifles manufacturer. .303 isn't any different that anything else. Israeli domestic made scope brackets are unique. S51 was already the war time production code for Holland and Holland - there were to make components under this code as well as convert No4 rifles tot he new T specification beginning in early 1942. Scabbard (frog stud): "Bg" over Crown-JF proofmark. In 1939, the British soldier was still armed with the same rifle his father, or perhaps even his grandfather, carried. 1 scabbards. mark) on a scopeless 1944 BSA. They may or may not have the serial stamped into the front part of the fore-end and in the case of the Australian Lithgows it may be stamped into the butt as well. No. This CFTO is for identification purposes only and is not an authority to procure parts. The bayonets are coated with mineral oil (grease), in a waxed "primary pack" paper wrapper. The serial number is DA22567A, above the serial number it says NO.4 MK1 F (FTR) that is all the markings I can really see on the gun and I was wondering what year the rifle was made, the model it is, & how much it is . There are almost 2 years of rifle production that did not receive this triangular sling swivel at the factory and would have it added in service - especially prolonged Cold War British service - it is still possible to encounter a rifle that was an early discharge / loss that never received the triangular swivel update. Most examples observed are of USA or Canadian manufacture. This lowered costs and allowed manufacture by subcontractors. Feedback from the initial service performance at the front (often from prior experienced target shooters) indicated that longer slings with a central mount at the front of the magazine would be preferred.
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