The Service Engine Soon lamp and Engine Malfunction warning are illuminated, and the vehicle SI B12 15 13 Connect scan tool to the 16-pin data link connector (DLC) located underneath the steering column. This will likely be the first and last BMW I will ever own. WARRANTY INFORMATION F30 N20 drivetrain malfunction after timing chain replacement at dealership : BmwTech 2 Posted by 2 years ago F30 N20 drivetrain malfunction after timing chain replacement at dealership Hey guys, I have a 2014 F30 with the N20 motor and the only mods are the dinan stage 3 tune and a dinan fmic. Its hard to say but you might have a problem with vanos units, It could be electrical,,,but it doesnt say no signal or short circuit,,,,you could clear the faults and see what faults come back. Note that ISTA/P will automatically reprogram and code all programmable control modules that do 130308 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, position not reached New battery installed. Up to that point the engine was smooth as silk!! But the solutions havent worked for me. Thanks. I ask because here ethanol is not too widespread and should not represent more than 1% of vehicles on the gasoline market. The spark plug have nothing to do with this problem,,,,they would cause misfires,,,I would think you should get some kind of signal from camshaft angle,,,,are you sure everything is plugged in correctly, Hello, My exhaust cam is retarding to the most far point , I time the engine with kit, locking crank, cam shaft and vanos. 120408 Intermittent Charging pressure control: switch-off as consequence Ok heres another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. He indicated it was a timing chain waiting to fail- do you agree? Click on the for this problem there is a software update available. It is possible without the timing tools, but if you risk needing to re-time the engine if something moves. By any chance do you know how long will the dealerships receive this extended warranty info after the case settles? Just replaced timing chain and oil pump module on n20 13 528i xdrive. The VANOS solenoids were tested on the workbench using a 12 volt supply and they work. I assume it will need to be replaced just because its higher in milage but do you think BMW would warranty it out knowing that theyve said it was lifetime of the vehicle? Thanks for this. hi, My engine is N52 No car manufacturer is going to tell you the problems with their car,,,they are just worried about the sale of that car,,,,not what is wrong with that car. Ok the charge boost pressure fault is related to the vanos faults,,,,the vanos faults could be a couple of things but since you just replaced the timing chain maybe the timing is not correct on the intake vanos unit? My 320i with N20 engine have problem with light accelerator or cruise on hightway, about 1.100-1450 rpm.Engine noise u u u like weve a drone around and with little vibration on steering. It was somewhat cold today around 20 degrees. Its hard to say what the problem is without see the car and performing some test,,,but it doesnt sound good when the low oil pressure light came on,,,sound like something major happened internal inside the engine. Code 131501 returned. Great blog here..dear BMWTech amy idea of the failure rate of the N20/26 timing chain..is it 30%? 5%? 2. Like how does this whole update thing work why didnt I have this update system on my 2009 328xi. Hi bmwtechnician, Learn how your comment data is processed. Hi, I have a 2014 BMW 428i X drive coupe. Its hard to say what the problem is with out hearing and driving the car,,,,I dont think the noise is timing chain because that makes a whining noise,,,the only leak could be a exhaust leak but you said the steering also shakes,,,have you had the tires and rims checked make sure rims are not bent,,,also check the rear transmission mount make sure they are not cracked or broken,,,also check the drive belt tensioner could be a problem. Now I'm getting the drivetrain malfunction every time I start my car. He said he didnt see anything wrong with the oil circulating in the car. If so, can I buy the warranty for the used car now? Or anything else you have come across? All wiring lines are good. Everything works, radio, windows, Locks. Seems like the locking pins are stuck. Thank you so much for your advice. is there a chance that he is wrong? Labor: 1.0. I assume the tensioner is operated by oil pressure and its normal to feel some slack when the engine is not running? Intake Camshaft: Installation faulty. The first start up gave many more codes but I have cleared the fault codes several times and these two appear along with the consequence fault code of 120408 Charge pressure control off. 61 00 710 Refer to KSD2 Programming / encoding control unit(s) Since the picture was taken by me not by the dealer. 108f01 bimmerfest.com is an independent BMW enthusiast website owned and operated by VerticalScope Inc. Brought it to a second mechanic. https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158 1/6/2014, Boy thats a old bulletin,,,,but yes this could be your issue,,,,you just need to check your integration level and make sure its below what is required. The timing chain & guides are bathed in engine oil, not fuel. P0115; BMW 10AA40 Coolant-temperature sensor, electrical: no signal P112A; BMW 10AA50 Coolant-temperature sensor, plausibility: engine temperature in rel. There were no faults. Ill check my gas cap but I need to clear this code. We are just have an idea that it is fuel related due to other countries dont have the same problem as we do,,,and we have different fuel requirement then other countries,,,,so what might be happen is the the fuel burn is not as great as other countries and causing more stress on the timing chain causing it to break down. Yes it does not say no signal. Did you hear anything like this before? (with CAS) Tried to read live camshaft sensors read ista says that currenty no data is sent from them to DME. Do u recommend changing the tensioner as preventive maintenance? I cannot seize why the 320i has the issue however 220i should be similar engine N20 and not listed is it because of different KWH or what ? Not sure if he meant evap leak. Apr 14, 2022 BMW F30 328i 2013 N20 engine "Drivetrain malfunction etc" comes on occasionally. As the outgoing N52 and N53 were reliable engines, the BMW N20 had big shoes to fill, especially given its turbocharged design. I say bad engineering or a BMW scam? test drove car, get a few codes. Question,,,what is a DME clone,,,,is it a used DME?,,,,or a aftermarket replacement DME. The car has 176,000 kilometers or roughly 110,000 miles. Symptoms when timing chain fails is engine wont start,,,engine wont turn over,,,,have your mechanics see if he can turn the motor over by hand with a breaker bar on the front crank bolt. Hey, Example: P1055 Hex Codes are typically given by more advanced scanners. To my shame, I am not sure how to post video in your blog. Come join the discussion about Bimmerfest events, production numbers, programming, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Clean both solenoids and reinstall. 1c0102 First you lock out the engine in TDC and then there is a tool to hold both camshafts in place then you can loosen the vanos bolts,,,,,question why do you want to time the engine,,,,the timing doesnt change unless something else is wrong,,,,or if one of the vanos units are locked in place. 2013 X3 N20 28i. It idles fine and sounds much better than before. Cloning means making full copy of ISN files from original DME and copy it over to use DME, So what happens if the ISN files are corrupted and you just copied it over to the other DMEare the pins damaged on the original DME ,,,or are the connection on the harness damage,,,,we just had a car last mouth where the harness was damaged for the fuel injector signals causing fuel to dump,,,the harness was damaged on the connector for the DME,,,you might have to perform OHM test on the harness to make sure the harness and connections are good. which consists of the last 7 digits of the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). One or more of the following faults is stored in the E84 and E89: Thank you!! F025-13-07-506 for the F25 When the VANOS units were removed there was no visible trash. Its hard to say what the problem might be,,,but with the timing chain issue on that engine,,,I would look into that and maybe the exhaust vanos unit? Page 2 of 4 120408- Status history-boost pressure control; shut-down as a consecutive reaction. Did you ever solve this? repairs to the engine valve train assembly. 3. It goes from 0 8 kpa and back to 0 will cranking do you have any idea what that reading should be on the fuel rail. Please advice. When the VANOS solenoids were removed for testing I checked the marks I made on the VANOS impulse wheels and on the harmonic balancer and they looked perfect. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. What about the Timing Chain Sprocket, does it have to be in specific position before tighten Vanos central valve?! Looked at my timing chain and there seems to be some play in the chain. Im sorry,,,and I hate how BMW has handled the whole problem with the N20-N26 engine and timing chain issue,,,I understand your frustration with BMW and how they didnt take care of this known problem. They are similar to those that are used in BMW N55. I've tested the soleniods and they are both good. Yesterday I did get all the fault codes cleared. programming and it fails to program correctly or requires initialization, this additional work must You only touched an accessories belt part. I took it to the bmw for a diagnostic and they said that Im just better off replacing the engine than trying to find out what is wrong with the car. to performing repairs, please see SI B01 02 11 for Emissions Warranty Coverage and refer to the How do I approach the dealer saying I hear a noise and whatnot for them to fix it while it is still under warranty? Thanks. Can the timing chain issue be identified through scoping? It gave the code 2D61 VANOS Outlet control, position not reached. We purchased it from a BMW dealership, they didnt mention any potential issues with the timing chain components. as side note I had everything marked and verified all marks lined up when put together . Im going to trade. Got it replaced for half of the price in warranty, consider also the timing chain replace if needed. There are locking pins integrated inside the units. It also features dual VANOS, valvetronic, and direct injection. Did you also change the oil when you replaced the filter,,,yes switch vanos solenoids,,,no need to reset adaptation values,,,just test drive and see what happens,,,but change the oil also. What could be the problem? 131401 Intermittent VANOS (variable cam shaft timing) exhaust cold start not controllable N20/N26 is an attemptof BMWAG to reclaim 4-cylinder glory from the past, e.g. Technical Service 131401 vanos exhaust cold start not controllable Ive been told by dealership that timing chain is tight and has passed their test. It is really a shame that BMW does not communicate on the subject, especially since here in Europe the problem is not repeated while in the United States it seems widespread. 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