Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . He was asleep. External bruising may have been caused by the assailant releasing the victim after killing by stranglehold, and the victim falling onto an object which would cause small circular patternation and subsequent bruising. > Most do not, really? Or do you believe his lies, that she harmed the kids and then he did same to her? FACT: You can see it in his eyes. CeCe did not have any marks & I attribute that to her age, not understanding what was happening & Im sure she lost consciousness quickly as she had breathing problems. It makes the crime even more heinous in my mind because it would have required a lot of thought concerning the logistics. He found her phone between the cushions. Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, She wasnt OCD, and even if she was, what does it matter? Shanann is very OCD [McKenna Lindstrom, the babysitter]. If CW is the type of father that would never hurt his girls, then his behavior after pulling Shannan off CeCe would be to call 911, try CPR ( he had classes at work) When non murderous parents are confronted with the loss or potential loss of their children they get desperate. The plea deal meant that he was spared the death penalty, and was instead sentenced to multiple life prison terms without the possibility of parole. Just asking a question. Im sure he didnt want any questions from her or to talk about anything. He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. Take Jodi Arias she lured him into a shower and made sure she was armed and he was naked, vulnerable and unsuspecting when she attacked him. Even the few days shannan was gone. So when he pulls her off theres not one last gasping breath, she dies at that exact moment and theres nothing Chris can do but kill Shannan!!!! The autopsy noted that recovered items included oil soaked pink pajama type top with images of hearts and butterflies and a pair of oil soaked underwear.. I believe the DA said there was no evidence of fibers related to the smothering of Bella and Celeste. I was in one temporarily an Acai drink, it really tried to make you ocd about $ and prestige attaining the unattainable honestly. GREELEY, Colo. Authorities have released the autopsy reports for Shanann, Bella and Celeste Watts, who were murdered by Christopher Watts in August. The Watts murders got to me also. Only feces already in the lower part of the large intestine/colon is going to evacuate and even then- it depends on the position of the body, the amount of decomposition and rigor mortis. The t-shirt she was found in looks very similar to the one she is seen wearing in the neighbours cctv footage of her arrival back home. Unfortunately she never got the chance. 5. Exiting rooms. The kids had two wack jobs for parents. My opinion, when Nicole Atkinson said Shanann was OCD, I think she was using the term loosely, as a description, not a diagnosed disorder. It doesn't appear that the autopsy did a very thorough check. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. I cannot get over what he did. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? Shanann had only (ap autopsy) "probable bruising on the anterior subcutaneous neck tissue" sweetbreez 4 yr. ago Like the previous commenter said, LE explained that it had to do with her being buried in the sand vs the oil. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? Thanks! I think he would have come up with a better plan as to where he would bury them. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. Kinda odd. Shed been drinking?? I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. She had everything she needed on the ground floor kitchen for food and drink, office to make haircare purchases, bathroom and toilet and a big sofa with a huge blanket left on it as shown in the initial welfare check police body-cam footage. Shanann was discovered in a "foetal position" in a shallow grave, while her two young daughters were found in "crude oil sludge". [UPDATED] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Watts Sentencing: Live Coverage and Analysis [Updated throughout the day] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Crime News November 2018 | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, The murder of the Watts children at CERVI 319 as Dramatized in FAMILY MAN, FAMILY MURDERER | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs. Remember Nickols son found her cell phone in-between the cushions of the upstairs couch. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. On Aug. 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann, 34, in their Colorado home. Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. LEE: Depends on sometime we find saliva, large amount of saliva, nasal secretion, mixed with small amount of blood on the pillow. parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. I believe he killed her while she was sleeping, would have been easy to trap her arms under covers. It would be good to hear your assessment of his assessment. I hope this is okay, Nick the way the financial counselor walks the wife through her options is important to understand and doesnt appear to detract from your sites mission and goals. Again, less bad publicity for LeVel. How was she with her phone? If Chris *hadnt* killed them, would he have gone to so much trouble to hide the bodies? As a woman, I never go to sleep with my bra on. He stated in a letter to the reporter woman that he remembers her face streaking with mascara and blood filling her eyes. That alone speaks volumes how they were approaching their relationship. I also believe he had that conversation in the morning because I dont know many women that sleep in their bras. Thanks for the paper, ganana Im with you on this. Neither of them passed any body fluids. Some people never saw. He knew now that he had to kill Shanann because she would find out. ShanAnn had been in a total of 6 MLMs that I could identify (Amway, Origami Owl, LulaRoe, Younique, ItWorks!, Thirty One, and Thrive oops, thats SEVEN); theyd already had to file bankruptcy in 2015; and now they were about to lose their house due to not being able to pay their bills. Watts was no genius, by saying he saw her kill CeCe and giving such a short timeframe for their killings, he left it wide open that they could have been saved had he called 911 or administered CPR instead of murdering his pregnant wife. I am not sure that he planned the murders. Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. The two girls, Bella and Celestes bodies also had same, was noted in autopsy reports is from decomp process. He may not of been able to face their killings but if he was distant, cold, towards her, like the reports say, he wouldnt of had a problem killing her by strangulation if he was emotionally distant. Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. And fyi, I am not going to use the actual pictures/videos in my project. Murdering someone through strangulation doesnt take that long. no she was a good mom who looked after her kids! He also is the male submissive in F/m relationships. He said Shanann said she was going to a friends house with their two kids. Its a matter of body position. The reports also show that Shananns fetus had been expelled from her body, which was buried in a shallow grave. https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. Chris is a monster. Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. They were out of town and it was still spotless. The male agent says did Shannan do one child & you the other? I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. I havent seen one statement from anyone who knew her well say she did. 4. No, I dont believe she was drinking at all, considering she was pregnant. She also wanted to make her marriage work. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. I guess we would never know and it wouldnt make any difference on his sentence. Her death was the only one categorized as violent by the coroner Notice she was undressed when found. One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. The ground was visible disturbed. Do you think Shanann was the type of person to leave her suitcase downstairs and just go to bed? All but her office. 3. I go on youtube and so many parents are killing their kids. Shanann was wrapped in a sheet. It's difficult to speculate what the norm would be in a criminal case, especially where an autopsy would need to be performed on both the mother . As noted by Crime Watch Daily, police recovered her body in the Frederick area. The autopsy report found that Shanann was in her second trimester of pregnancy and that the "largely decomposed fetus and placental unit" was found "expelled from the gravid uterus." I had assumed all the way through that he had used a pillow. Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. He couldnt get into anyways so I dont know what the plan was gonna be after. He needed to be executed. Very CW. I guess since theyre children and small its possible. ShanAnn claimed to be pulling down $80,000 a year. If someone begins to strangle you while youre in a deep sleep and laying down you may never regain enough consciousness to fight back. She was organized but that is not OCD, same as me. The next morning, visible fingerprints (the circular marks on Shaanns autopsy), so visible that others took notice. Ethanol makes sense, especially because it could be disguised in the chemicals themselves. She also had Lupus, and was 15-16 weeks pregnant, which could have been the reason why she wasnt feeling well. They probably already had an emotional conversation before she left for Phoenix and he had made up his mind to do what he did. He may have sprung himself on her in the bathroom, came in after her and turned the light off or something, being an easier/tiled place to clean up any traces? The lie detector test question focused solely on her, didnt even mention the kids. In the report, (link below) stories of financial devastation, destruction of relationships, and even murders and suicides paint a vivid picture of an industry built on lies and deception a business that focuses its greedy eyes on the naive and the vulnerable. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. She had a separate closest for her shoes & purses. Theres just too much, including motive, he wanted a life with Nicole with no disturbances. This guy had some sort of mental problem. Or putting her down. While officers were waiting, Christopher confessed to killing Shanann, and getting rid of the bodies of Celeste and Bella. In theory, you should find some evidence, which did not find. COFFIN BIRTH OF BABY NICO!-Please read description TY Scrub The Surface 8.27K subscribers Subscribe 13K Share 1.5M views 4 years ago THIS VIDEO IS. I have watched/listened to a lot of Nicks videos and am now working my way through his books, and I can honestly say that he is impartial and simply digs deep into the why of the case. Did you mention in your book that Shannan thought her marriage was wonderful and things started changing around the time your Hero Chris Watts started having an affair? 3. That is simply a common misconception/stereotype that is very harmful and untrue. Areas of bruising, external. Also, I read that the kids were very light sleepers. Theyd already pulled $10,000 out of Chris 401K to try and get caught up on their mortgage, but they were somehow burning through money like there was no tomorrow. There are no words . He has proven to be a pathalogical liar and nothing he has said before or after his conviction can be proven as truth. Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. Areas of bruising, internal. @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? Kick him? She was always busy. Found this research paper a stunning indictment of Multilevel Marketing (MLM) industry. Since its clear CW is a flagrant coward, I am finding it hard to imagine him having enough courage to have looked at her eye to eye while he was strangling her. Id recite a few examples from case law but I dont think youre really here to discuss anything. Shannann even said that he was like another person. . He wanted out, didnt want the baby., and took the cowards way. Do you think her phone ended up where it was because thats how and where it left her hand? He knew right where to thump her neckher surgical site. Read my above post. The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. The police reports contain a conversation Chris had with his father. Hed let her snuggle him that morning. Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. I would put the blame on Chris! Chris went to an oil well job site to check out it. Thanks for making the reports public. Some people believe his story that Shannan killed the kids like he said. I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. None of that is going to me made public, for obvious reasons. Chris said Shanann arrived home from a trip. Not Shanann! https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/rohde-court-told-of-faeces-in-spier-hotel-room-15629834. Considering the size of shananns house before they moved there. Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. Nickole called Chris several times and he kept giving different arrival times. I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. To the extent on the spectrum that it played out is the horror. C . When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. If that were in fact the equivalent of an $80,000 *salary*, they wouldnt have been behind on their mortgage and HOA dues. Based on the clothing they were found in, probably Chris pretended to be asleep. The DA mentioned that. 1. She felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them. Her husband spoke to Chris and he was not shedding a tear about his missing family.. Wow, you are really reaching here. I wondered what became of the gas can. Please explain. But legally it was in Chriss name. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. But there were some issues. He then "went into a rage," he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? Was Niko Buried With Shan'ann Watts? Meredith Kercher is a famous example. Theres a very clear indicator when the children died. I know, Im a survivor of strangulation. The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. Its more likely the complete opposite. Would love your thoughts, please comment. I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. Unless I missed it? Her legs would have been free, but if he was high up on her chest I doubt she would have been able to even get him with her knees, they would not have reached him. Have you read the 2000 page discovery? Have they watched something? Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. Thankyou Nick for all your studies, research and insights. Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! Maintaining compression in a Stranglehold after unconsciousness is rendered may result in death. I was terrified gravity would wreck my boobs. Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. in any case, who the hell trusts anything coming from Chris Watts? Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. But youre not thinking any further than that. I believe those stains were on the sheets and thats why they were pulled off. I lived with one. Youre obviously trolling! I always slept in a bra when I was in my 20s and 30s. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. Asshole should have never been presented and damn plea deal. Regarding oil in the stomach, just a thought, but wasnt Bella face up and CeCe face down when removed from the tanks? There was a largely decomposed fetus expelled from the uterus. Page 582, 6. Chris was photographed head to toe & didnt have one mark on his body consistent with somebody fighting for their life from being strangled. but I dont think she ever went upstairs, not even to check on the girls. I have to wonder if somehow she woke up and saw what happened to her Mommy. No, this does not indicate that she was still alive. This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. He asked to speak to his father before confessing. But from Molletts work, it seems the alcohol levels in Shananns body were normal. Could Bellas mouth injuries have occurred postmortem when he shoved her through the hatch? Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. No matter the circumstances he killed not 3 but 4 people including his unborn child. The womans home was spotless & there was a place for everything & everything was labeled! Was there no evidence of feces on the girls beds either so maybe they were not killed in bed? Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. And honestly Im sure he had a lot of time on his hands to do stuff. He had only a few friends. Chris Watts destroyed three fully formed, perfect adults. Theyd quietly suffocate no violent confrontation, very peaceful. Just a thought. Also just because she was strangled and they were suffocated doesnt mean dirt. You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. So yeah sigh! So its OCD when it comes to what people see, both house and life if you will..but a suitcase at 2 am, 4 months pregnant, I could easily see her saying nope to carrying that suitcase upstairs. Strangleholds require little physical strength. Lastly and not related to your book, I continuously read people stating that the only bruises on Shananns body were the on the right side of her neck. I slept in my bras with all four of my pregnancies. With that much free time in the day, she could have gotten a part-time job and brought home real money. A . In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. A CHOKEHOLD usually involves cutting off the air supply, (air choke or tracheal choke) a STRANGLEHOLD involves cutting off the blood supply. Its horrible. After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. Bella and Celeste were thrown away, the prosecutor said adding that investigators found scratch marks on one of the girls bodies and tufts of hair on the opening to one of the oil tanks, the television station reported. If the girls were dead by ca. I also think the MLM biz attracts people that are lost, and need to be directed and consumed by something. He said in his admissions that she deficated during the murder in thier bed, where he wrapped her in a sheet and moved her to the floor immediately- where he was interrupted by the girls waking up (after his first attempt to kill them by suffocating them in thier sleep)- the girls were killed in his truck CeCe was wearing a diaper, so even if she had deficated or urinated it would be unclear after days in the crude oil.. And Bella was likely not dead but simply unconscious again when he dumped her body- therefore, even if she did relax enough to evacuate her bowels and bladder- it wasnt until she was in the crude oil tank. Straight up facts. I dont think I know everything, but I do know more about this case than most. And the fact that theyd had a bankruptcy in 2015 apparently hadnt helped her wise up at all. Even if he raged and killed Shannon because she killed her girls, I would much rather be guilty for killing Shannon because she killed my babies then be a monster guilty of killing my daughters so I would have called for help so the cops could do their job and get the evidence to back up my story. The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. A person with OCD also wouldnt have that much stuff on the bathroom vanity. Makes me so sick. Also, he usually goes to the office in the morning and then goes out to the sites but the night before he called and told a coworker he was going to the site. Perhaps they had one via phone or text. yes, that is great, there is no mention at all that there was any of the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge that was in Bellas stomach, thankyou for pointing that out Nick. On the police cams you can just see hi. You wrote a book blaming Shannan- seems to me youre just throwing your assumptions around. He doesnt have a soul!!!!! What about rigormortis? Chris Watts is a narcissistic cold blooded killer of children and their mother. Shanann's autopsyconcluded that her cause of death was asphyxiation due to manual strangulation. As far as OCD I dont believe she had it This shows how little insight you have into this case, and into who Shanan was in particular. Not sure if it is true, but I heard that the GF (Nicole) and his parents are both doing book deals! Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. No one deserves what happened to those kids and their mother-you have issues. Maybe he lost patience with her. They should have been talked to later. Just a suggestion. So what Was his motivation for that? Late stage of pregnant. And to think CW called a co-worker @ 5pm to tell him that he would be going directly to the oil battery site and told the co-worker he didnt need to. He is responsible for his own actions, many people live with worse and dont kill anyone. Nickole Atkinson was first to sound the alarm; she told police she dropped Shannan off and Shannon was 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well. On page six of the report in the General Internal Examination findings, it states:- D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. And Ive also learned a LOT about her between videos, and every page of the 1,960 pages of documents released by authorities under Colorado statute. He was adamant that no no nothing like that happened but the female agent is sympathetic & is using a technic which is to put the blame on another person & make him feel less at fault. And she clearly WANTED the best for them, and she was still learning. But thats me. She even labelled food in her kitchen. Its definately not most. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life. Several life experiences may also have contributed to and promoted OCD-like behaviours in Shanann too the loss of financial control during bankruptcy, divorce, car accident, illness etc all contribute to a person seeking the need for regaining control of their life which can manifest as a place for everything and everything in its place behaviours. Youre not Shanann Watts. Jami, doesnt make sense. Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. didnt attempt it herself. They are The People Of The Lie. (Scott Peck). He could have planned to go to work early that morning so as to avoid talking to Shanann. The autopsy results aren't available, but the funeral and grave site suggest that Niko's remains were either removed, destroyed or buried with his mother. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. So she wasnt in rigor at the home and was likely just starting to show signs while he was burrying her at the site. I doubt shed just leave her phone and stuff downstairs like that. Mucho menos que estaba enferma. As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. With ShanAnn, IF she was attacked and killed shortly after she arrived home, while still downstairs, she would have still been dressed her underwear and pants would have caught it. He probably wanted it done quickly and in the dark so he wouldnt have to see anyones faces, anything that might make him doubt what he is doing. I once witnessed where someone used Tequila in a hookah instead of water. Lo que ese animal hizo estuvo todo en su sano juicio, los borrachos dicen que hacen cosas indebidas por estar ebrios pero, este definitivamente es satans. ShanAnn was, to put it simply, addicted to her MLM lifestyle and that was the most important thing in her life. ( when they were arguing she couldnt sleep & had been crying all night ) What happened when she got home nobody knows, but I do believe she felt comfortable enough to go online and shop. However, the autopsy does not detail the size or spacing of these marks sufficiently to form an educated opinion. That goes against every human primal instinct we have, it just wouldnt happen. I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. The DA explained that it is due to decomposition and the body breaking down. He continuously maintained throughout the entire interrogation that he would never hurt those kids. I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? Googled ways to suffocate children? In the 2000 page report that was released they pose the theory that she may have been asleep while attacked. 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