Perhaps you should take your own advice about making unwarranted assumptions? Yes, for LA (and the SF Bay Area), that is indeed common. Do you have any ability to move closer to work? It might be normal for LA, but it can really kill your quality of life. Ive never worked more than a 20-25 drive away, and once had a commute that was 2-3 minutes! When I moved recently I looked for an apartment in easy commuting distance. Its not just the length of the drive; its also how stressful it is, and sitting in traffic is always stressful. If youre lucky and manage to live downtown (because you get paid enough / have rent control and moved in before rent costs skyrocketed) and have a job downtown, you can estimate 30 to 40 minutes, depending on how you get to work. Look for something new. We live between OC and LA, but he commutes into OC (17 miles). This is my current reality. When the commute impacts your quality of life its definitely time to think of solutions. If I am lucky, I am in traffic for 1.5 hours. You will feel like a whole new person when you find a reasonable commute. If you do decide to suck it up and live with your commute, start exploring alternate routes. whats the weirdest/most inappropriate email signature youve seen? You should go be an interpreter at the Long Beach courthouse. I couldnt take it mentally OR physically. However, you have to decide for yourself whether or not this is okay with you. 1 Hour is perfectly fine for me however it can differ with others, 2 hours does seem a tad much especially when you have to consider traffic. I previously lived in Shoreline, the town immediately north of Seattle. You're awake and nominally functional for 16 hours a day. What is ridiculous to me is that commuting 6 miles on SF MUNI trains regularly takes 75 -90 min. You dont have to believe it, I guess, but its true. But I assume I have fewer choices than you do I have kids, I have a job I wont leave, I have limited money and live in a crazy expensive area. What youve described is pretty much my husbands schedule. Ive done it 3-4 times a week for 20 years! For me its an issue of cost. Ive never lived in CA, so I cant speak to whether thats normal for the area, but that sounds miserable and not something you should accept. Id bitch about all Its not over the top. People texting, tinted rear windows, vigilantes who try to control the flow of traffic by driving slow in the fast lane, illegals aliens with legal drivers licenses who are unfamiliar with and did not learn how to drive on our freeways, lack of situational awareness. It gets old, fast :) It was an aggravating way to start the day anyway. When I had to commute via the subway, it was 20 minutes at most (I also live near three different subway lines). Any reason. I live right in the heart of Los Angeles. When I first started applying to jobs in LA from NYC, I applied to a job in Orange County even though my intention was to live with my best friend in Koreatown. Everyone driving cars on huge highways is a very inefficient way to get masses of people to and from work, especially considering how bad human drivers are at efficiently using roads (I recommend that everyone watch CGPGeys video of traffic). Im sure youve gotten all the advice you need by now, but just one more for you: Ive lived in So Cal my whole life and would never entertain a commute that long. I cant imagine 2 to 2.5 hours each way, but Im not surprised by it unfortunately. Anyway, it is Very Uncool of him to hear your frustration and stress and downplay it like that. When I lived in Seattle (suburbs!) A little over an hour is by commuter rail. Im not surprised that it has doubled as of today. There are vanpools that leave as early as 5 AM to beat the traffic in, and most leave around 3:30 to beat the traffic home. To live closer to work, my mortgage would double, my house would shrink by half, and my utilities would triple (the county where I work is REALLY poorly run). A commute of 40-45 minutes per day is good for this area. My train service is fairly OK, and I always get a seat both ways. my boss wants me to lie to coworkers about my commute, my employer moved our office to an inconvenient location. I work in the East Bay, and people in my office commute from Tracy, Manteca, Stockton, Merced, Sacramento, Vallejo. My best friend had a 2-hour commute. More than that would be un-doable for me. But at night traffic honestly doesnt clear up till like 7:30-8 pm here which is an hour before my bed time. It would be completely intolerable. I am ready to apologize, explain my situation, and start looking around for something closer. I love reading, but I have a really difficult time keeping my focused on audiobooks or podcasts or any kind of talking that I need to pay close attention to, and if Im driving I cant follow it at all. That commute leaves very little time for anything else. If the traffic in LA in untenable for you, it isnt unreasonable to move to another city if that is a possibility for you. Metrolink was an hour and a half door to door, but at least it was fairly consistent, and I could read/write/zone out so it didnt feel like entirely wasted time. Moving to a huge metro area later taught me as someone who needs time between leaving and arriving at work, 45 minutes is my absolute max for city commutes and 1.5 for country miles. Thats part of it, but the history plays a big role. Thats just over 33 minutes. Ive had that experience a few times where Ill go to Los Angeles or through San Bernardino and catch the traffic at EXACTLY the wrong time. With the right game plan, "mega-commuters" can improve their daily journey. I vowed to never drive more than 30 mins each way (on a regular basis, there always can be exceptions) and have actually chosen to live really close to my jobs since then. I do leave 30 minutes before my shift starts so I have ample time to drop my son off at school, stop for a caffeinated beverage and get to work with several minutes to spare but my actual in-the-car-driving time is 15 minutes with all of that added in there. In this episode of The Thermo Diet Podcast Jayton Miller sits down with independent researcher, entrepreneur, and fellow metabolism fanatic Gerogi Dinkov. Yes! Good luck! 40 x 5 = 200, or over 3 hours. The other day I had to leave at 4 p.m. to take my cat to the vet at (6:30 p.m.!) Oh, missed the only twice a week bit. Jk :) But seriously, Im glad it worked out for you. Thats why people consider dating people who live on opposite ends of LA to be long-distance relationships. Oh darn it my first comment didnt show up, so I tried again and now it just looks like Im repeating myself! I also go to the gym near work every morning which is important to me and couldnt really do that. -A big bag of your favorite nuts and some icy cold water. My commute in Philly was like that. 30 miles in LA is epic, I shivered thinking about it. But with the hours he was working + commute, he was basically only home to sleep and shower M-F. Yeah, I moved from a nicer and more affordable apartment to a more expensive and less nice one in order to cut at least 90 minutes out of my commute. There is some swearing, if you worry about that thing. About 15 miles away and it always took more than an hour. It works, but cuts into family time together. Small company full of hip millennials who are transplants and live in WeHo. "It's kind of an adventure to me," says Coughlin . ), and though the traffic there isnt as bad as LA, its certainly giving it competition. Yikes. My husband and I are considering buying a house right now, and since we live in a city where walking is not common, our realtor seems bemused by the fact that we outright reject anything more than 2.5 miles from my office. I had a 1.5 mile walking commute for a while that took about 20-25 minutes, so you arent wrong (although that was a relatively flat area of Manhattan depending on how hilly were talking in San Francisco it might be worse). I struggle with understanding why more people on the road means everyone drives slower. Im running out of podcasts to binge. So Cal commuting traffic is no joke it may be normal to some people but that doesnt make it ok!! Only you'll know but it really doesn't seem that bad. I have a 25 mile commute, which is actually a reverse commute, and it takes me about 40 minutes to 1:15 hours depending on traffic. Most of my colleagues travel at least an hour to an hour and a half, and mostly by mass transit. If you get off the freeways and drive through the city, youll just get stuck behind red lights, pedestrian traffic and buses. The difference was really that my commute usually had just a quick moment of traffic right by my office (government office surrounded by lots of other government offices, with thousands of people all leaving at the same time), and his was about 20 miles closer, but stop and go the whole way! I used to live in LA got a job in Santa Monica and commuted from the Valley. Is it possible to break into the beauty industry as a remote worker, ie not living in NYC or LA? Lifes too short to spend it all in your car. My old boss could not figure out why I hate my 2 hours commute vs his 2 hour commute; mine was all stop and go traffic, his was open highway. CanadaTech19 4 yr. ago Wow, 150+ comments and no one suggests using the Waze app? This one doesn't sound like it is. This is making me really glad my wife and I decided to avoid the Bay and Silicon Valley, between commutes and housing cost. Hot, muggy, smoggy, YUCK. . Thank you so much for posting my question, Alison. In LA, theres options with long surface streets. Once I figured that out, I started walking the 6 miles to work in San Francisco. Eventually, I found a gym near work, and would go there and get my workout in and wait for traffic to die down. We had a store manager for a while that worked in Irvine and lived in Hemet (because thats the closest he could afford to buy a house), and spent at least six hours per day driving, sometimes more. Um, OP posted earlier about a frightening and traumatic experience that gave her PTSD, which is the main reason she does not feel safe on public transit. Youll just have to figure out what works for you, and is sustainable long-term. Google maps will give you a range for your route at different times of the day. This represents 3.6 percent of the national average annual salary, which is $40,690.". I didnt realize how toxic that crazy commute was until it was gone. The patterns would be a little kinder. Now driving, that's a different issue. Its like when youre filling up a container with liquid using a funnel if you pour too fast, itll overflow, even if there is still room in the container. Currently, I do drive an hour each way, but that is only twice a week and I work from home the other days, so my net drive time is within the 30 mins/day. Is it right? Its also better for the environment and limits your cars exposure to CA freeway road hazards, because we all know theyre not very well maintained and CA drivers can be Irrational. This thread has really brought home for me that nobody would live in this deranged city if it werent for the weather :D. And it contributes to the insane housing prices. My commute is an hour and 10 minutes on average by bus, but I read a lot or nap. In my lifetime, it may actually make sense to ban humans from driving due to computers driving much more safely and efficiently. by foot : 30 minutes also, to your inquiry two-hour commutes arent normal even by LA standards, and Id advise to either relocate or job hunt so your commute is shorter spending 1/6 of your day (and 1/4 of your waking hours) on the road is just not good for you, especially in the long-run. Right now my partner leaves for work at 5am so that he can beat traffic, which is kind of miserable but at least he has the ability to work flexible hours so he can do it. Never again. A friend posted earlier in the week that median prices in Seattle are now over $800,000. I had a friend complain today that her normal 50-minute drive to and from work is more like 90 minutes right now b/c of traffic. I need to have time to rest and a life, so Ive always applied for jobs that were a reasonable 30-minute commute away. Yeah, I already made up my mind Im leaving. Yeah that is the thing for me. My longest commute was when I first started working, and it was just over an hour each way. Im one of the rare people who live in the same city as my employer, although only because I cant afford to move. Even then I thought I had no time for anything outside of work! Leaving work it is a bit longer because my shuttle only runs every 30 minutes, so I usually have to wait a bit. Most people in LA dont have 2 hour commutes because most people arent driving 30 miles to work. She recently moved to Santa Monica to be near her job. I was actually on the El, just so far up the line that my commute was probably longer than some people taking the Matra. Im a huge fan of Seanan McGuire, but I never listened to her October Daye series in audiobook / wont switch at this point for that series. If youre interested in the topic, theres a fantastic book called Traffic: Why We Drive the Way We Do (and What It Says About Us) by Tom Vanderbilt. Luckily, I discovered I liked the SGV after working in the area for awhile. You also have a long day, on top of the commute. Some employees live in the next state because a beautiful house is cheaper there, but no jobs. I mean, if you work in a downtown office, you prolly wont be able to afford rent anywhere in that general area. Those are now considered commutable distances, even though those are far away. I moved recently (several blocks down the street) and joke about how my commute doubled from 4 minutes to 8 minutes. OP, can you take the blue line into DTLA and then Uber/Rideshare into WeHo? (But the solution is to drive off peak because there isnt really a public transit option thats any faster than driving during rush hour.). Whats a non aggressive way to respond to someone who What UK press shaming of a person do you think was What quietly went away without anyone noticing? If you want a shorter commute, you have to move closer to transit or to where the traffic patterns are more favorable. The weather is compatible and for that distance it should be much, much faster. I live in the suburbs and work in a mid-Atlantic city. SoCal living! I live in Brooklyn and work on the Upper West Side. So, a typical commute for me was about 1.5-2 hrs and it absolutely did wear on me. Good Luck! If the commute doesnt work for you assess if youd rather house hunt, or job search, and proceed with whichever fits better into your plans. I just want to point out that normal doesnt mean anything if youre suffering so much. Distant suburbs are lower income than most of the city. Using surface streets cut the it down to about 35-40 minutes. I used to drive for almost 2hrs to get to Uni some days and it honestly wasn't that bad. I need to take a bus (7 miles) to reach either of those. Do whats best for you. I will say, with my patience level, I do okay stuck in traffic (red lights, pedestrians, etc.) Apply for a Aya Healthcare Travel Nursing - Pediatric OR RN - $4761/week - $4893/week job in Orem, UT. Maybe in the Friday Open Thread? 3 Strategies for Surviving a Long Commute. where is this, omaha? Right now, I work from home, but the longest commute I can reasonably handle is 30 minutes. That just seems crazy! Used to be hell (25 km in 1.5h, yay for bridges and never ending roadwork, sometimes 2h-2h30 for the 1st snow, or 1st snow after a 2 week spring people tend to forget how to drive in winter conditions in the spring, crazyness) but I changed jobs 5 years ago for one 5 km away. On public transportation! It was because traffic had gotten that much worse. Hey, fellow Washingtonians! I used to commute from Jersey City to Western NJ (about an hour on insane roads) and once I moved to CT my commute went down to about 5 minutes. LA traffic is no joke and unless you are able to afford living right next to your work, it is just how its going to be. Hopefully you find something new soon! The average commute in the UK is around 59 minutes per day (both ways combined). It is not as bad as I expected it to be, but then again I can usually grab a seat on at least one of the subways and read or sleep through a chunk of the commute. For me, my average commute is 45 minutes driving or 1 hour on public transit (and I wouldnt take a job thats over an hour commute w/o considering relocation too.). So 2 hours sounds typical to me! I remember days it took over an hour of just sitting on Westlake to Mercer to the 5. Unsustainable is a great word, Countess. Its worth a conversation, ASAP.). I occasionally used to do a 60 mile return commute - that was way too much time out of the house - looking at 13 hours from leaving home to getting back. I used to have a 15 mile LA commute that was never less than 45 minutes and would reach 2 hours at least a couple of tines a week. Sports game at the stadiums where the bus has to pass adds another hour just to get out of town. I also did the South LA-the Valley commute for grad school. BUT when I first moved here I lived in West L.A. and worked in Seal Beach and yeah it was 1 1/2 ish I got used to it and did audio books, called family liked my Grandma, tried to carpool when I could, etc. Just dont make the mistake I did and listen to The Road and Beloved back to back driving on desolate roads in a bleak New England January. I was commuting outward, and as someone new to the area, I foolishly assumed that Id be going opposite of traffic, and that it wouldnt be an issue. Alas, Los Angeles is like this nowadays. It doesnt seem excessive compared to the commutes of others in my office. 2 years ago, my husband and I bought a house in the Pittsburgh burbs and we both commute into the city. We practice high quality, compassionate medicine with an emphasis on client education and . NYC had an incentive to grow *up*, where LA had more incentive to grow *out*. I do think its more about what works for you than what the norm in your region is. Did 2.5 hours each way in the Bay area. Its not going to get any better. Glad to hear youre getting bites right away hopefully theyre much closer to home! I remember in 1999 one of my colleagues saying her commute time had doubled even though she lived and worked in the same places. For me its wasnt as much the stress of the physical driving (though that was notable) as much as the stress related to being completely uncertain as to the time involved. It is pretty crappy considering right out side this densely populated area, driving is a breeze all either very rural or highway. (And I have a paid off house, while my California friends are still/forever renting). I know it sounds ridiculous but traffic doesnt clear up until like 7-8 pm so Id be home even later with the same-ish drive. Youd be incredibly lucky to find a single family home in my neighborhood for low 7 figures, but it is absolutely LA proper. Yes some people accept it and do it. Even if the boyfriend or other people find it acceptable, they really dont have to give up trying to find another solution. Its also just far 75 miles one way which is definitely preferable to going 0-15 miles an hour for 30 miles. I lived in Murray (south of Salt Lake), since I went to the University of Utah, but I actually enjoyed the commute. Now I dont even use half of it (but my Wifi at home is bad and so I dont want to get rid of it). Driving is at least an hour and twenty minutes and it is killing me. If it looked awful to go home, I just wouldnt. In this episode they talk about an average day in the life of Georgi Dinkov, vitamin D + vitamin K supplementation, new products Georgi has in the works, ways to . Like the OP, Im a former New Yorker, and my 45-minute subway or bus commute felt like nothing because I didnt have to be so engaged. Typical and normal are two different things. I pick jobs I apply for (Im lucky to be in a in-demand job so I can be picky) and if Id really have no choice for a job, Id move closer (Im by no means attached to my house, its just a house). It is what it is for each individual. Yes! I do all my decompressing in my car and I drive 45 minutes out of my way to shop in peace as well, so Im just a big ol crazy pants wanderer. Twenty minutes and it absolutely did wear on me to avoid the Bay area not just the length the. Giving it competition surface streets cut the it down to about 35-40 minutes 2 to 2.5 hours each.... Cant imagine 2 to 2.5 hours each way in the heart of Los.! 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